• My BBS..

    From paulie420@1337:3/129 to All on Mon Feb 22 20:32:03 2021
    Has been getting a lot of new interest.

    I created a few video adverts. You may have seen them on reddit, or some Raspberry Pi facebook groups. This was very beneficial, and I've had new callers out the wazzoo.

    I think some of you more senior sysOps will say that influx comes and goes.. but I want to make ya'll aware that advertising works, and... yea. I'm enjoying 20 callers a day currently.

    Who knows what tomorrow will bring, but today I have an influx. Should I keep pushing out adverts? I don't know.. I don't want to over do it... I also don't wannt stick my head in the sand.

    I think 2o fOr beeRS has grown into its own as a BBS... and I guess I did that, so... How are you doing?

    MeaT, how have you grown into the superpower BBS that you are?! Lets keep bringing users and offering services. I am working on a few new things on my board... hack dumps, eXoDOS games and more... what are you working on?

    What would draw YOU to BBSes? I DO think a lot of my callers are just... lol... looking for information to 'start their own BBS'. Those aren't the future... for me, anyway. :P So anyway, just writing...

    I should stop.



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  • From MeaTLoTioN@1337:1/101 to paulie420 on Tue Feb 23 10:27:32 2021
    On 22 Feb 2021, paulie420 said the following...

    Has been getting a lot of new interest.

    I created a few video adverts. You may have seen them on reddit, or some Raspberry Pi facebook groups. This was very beneficial, and I've had new callers out the wazzoo.

    Nice Paulie, I saw one or two of them, they look very cool. Nice job on creating them. Promotion is key for that all important first visit, if you don't promote your BBS, few will know of it's existence.

    I think some of you more senior sysOps will say that influx comes and goes..but I want to make ya'll aware that advertising works, and... yea. I'm enjoying20 callers a day currently.

    That's real nice dude, yeah I have noticed in #subspace you're getting a great amount of visitors, nice to see more 2o for beers banners in that channel =)

    Who knows what tomorrow will bring, but today I have an influx. Should I keeppushing out adverts? I don't know.. I don't want to over do it... I also don'twannt stick my head in the sand.

    Keep advertising, it works... getting your textmode ad into the BBS advert echoes is a good idea, as many as possible, with some regularity. I post different adverts at different times of the week, you will notice all my adverts are posted at precisely 13:37 on the day too.

    MRC adverts come out on Thursdays at 18:00, Fridays at 02:00, 10:00 and 18:00 (all in UTC) so that people can get reminders closer to the event so it's fresher in their mind, at least that was my thought process.

    qUAntUm RaDio! gets an advert once a week, as does tqwNet and thE qUAntUm wOrmhOlE.

    I think 2o fOr beeRS has grown into its own as a BBS... and I guess I
    did that,so... How are you doing?

    Yes sir, you did that, and kudos to you.

    MeaT, how have you grown into the superpower BBS that you are?! Lets keep bringing users and offering services. I am working on a few new things
    on myboard... hack dumps, eXoDOS games and more... what are you working on?

    I wouldn't say my BBS is a "superpower" by any stretch of the imagination, however I guess that my BBS is popular because (in no particular order);

    * it has a clean look interface, everything is easy to find
    * it's been running for ~800 days so word of mouth so to speak is getting around
    * telnet bbs guide
    * tqwNet
    * website to promote it
    * me always being around to help people to do this or that
    * the documentary
    * offering unique things like my bbsforever.com dns forwarding service

    What would draw YOU to BBSes? I DO think a lot of my callers are just... lol...looking for information to 'start their own BBS'. Those aren't the future...for me, anyway. :P So anyway, just writing...

    Unique service to offer to people that they can't get anywhere else, the more captivating the more you will draw people in. Offer something unique and fun or informational that can't be got from anywhere else people will come back for more and more. Before you know it you have regulars.

    I should stop.

    Never stop.


    Hope this helps answer some of the questions from my perspective at least.
    Keep up the good work sir, and keep us updated with links to your adverts, just remember not all of us have factbook accounts so posting the adverts to places that don't require any form of pre-authentication would be cool =)

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  • From paulie420@1337:3/129 to MeaTLoTioN on Tue Feb 23 10:09:33 2021
    [Your entire reply was awesome and helpful-all sysOps should read and take note! You could stop right here, as I'm sure I'll type too many words below!]

    I'm enjoying 20 callers a day currently.

    That's real nice dude, yeah I have noticed in #subspace you're getting a great amount of visitors, nice to see more 2o for beers banners in that channel =)

    Yea, I really like your Discord bots. Both Meaty's Wormhole and The Underground channel have been places to bring together BBS people outside of the textmode world... I've been advertising The Underground Discord, and bringing my new users there. Its a good companion to the BBS, and fills in some spots where BBSes lack 'current tech'. I also am glad that 2o fOr beeRS has been showing up a little more in #subspace. :P

    Keep advertising, it works... getting your textmode ad into the BBS
    advert echoes is a good idea, as many as possible, with some regularity.
    I post different adverts at different times of the week, you will notice all my adverts are posted at precisely 13:37 on the day too.

    MRC adverts come out on Thursdays at 18:00, Fridays at 02:00, 10:00 and 18:00 (all in UTC) so that people can get reminders closer to the event

    qUAntUm RaDio! gets an advert once a week, as does tqwNet and thE qUAntUm wOrmhOlE.

    Thats something I can/need to work on. I have ONE textmode ad. I could come up with others, that highlight the different THINGS I've built/am building @ 2o.. I do have an issue tho - I tried to update my advert to add in new features on the bbs and it WOULDN'T display correctly. My current ad IS 80 columns wide, but it does display correctly... I think when I created the new one, for some reason, the 80c was part of the reason wasn't working. Its hard for me to change it to 79c, because of the graphic in the ANSI...

    Anyway, I need to figure out how to modify it AND have it display correctly... that and add a couple more adverts telling folks about the OTHER parts of 2o. :P Thanks... I just know I'm gonna have issues when trying to change the CURRENT ad, and couldn't figure it out the last time...

    I wouldn't say my BBS is a "superpower" by any stretch of the
    imagination, however I guess that my BBS is popular because (in no particular order);

    I would say that it is the most popular BBS in 2021.

    * it has a clean look interface, everything is easy to find
    Agree.. and this is super important, imo. My bbs is more of an explosion of all my 'bbs ideas'. Luckily, its kinda working ATM.. but yer board really FEELS solid.
    * it's been running for ~800 days so word of mouth so to speak is
    getting around
    * telnet bbs guide
    I made sure I went over there and 'validated' or whatever my BBS... I need to go back and make sure its all setup perfect. being '2o fOr beeRS' is nice because I'm displayed so close to the start of the list. I've seen my BBS name in youtube videos, the Back2BBS doc, etc. because of just that.
    * tqwNet
    * website to promote it
    This is something I really wanna get into. I'm also starting to build a video studio - and I don't run a radio station or whatnot like you... but a website could help a lot. A blog, BBS info, videos and... 2o fOr beeRS stuff. I need to look into this; big time.
    * me always being around to help people to do this or that
    I am just STARTING to do this. There is NOTHING wrong with it, and I'm happy to doso but... since I don't have all the knowledge you do I'm getting a lot of the 'How do I start a BBS' questions. I'm gonna create some BBS videos, that have been covered before, but with answers for 2021. I'm working on this...
    * the documentary
    I already feel like I 'know' mL... I might not know Christian as much, but.. it was really cool to 'see' you on the Back2BBS episodes.. I'm glad you were willing and able to do that, and that you did. I also think it was really beneficial to your BBS. :P Kudos.
    * offering unique things like my bbsforever.com dns forwarding service
    LOL-Constructive criticism, and it'll show how ignorant I was a year ago... when I saw that @ Quantum Wormhole, I didn't 'understand' that it was a DNS forwarding service - and/or I didn't understand what a DNS forwarding service was! It IS perfect, mL... however some paragraph explaining it to COMPLETE NEWBIES might help.. as even I was like WTF is this, how do I use it, etc etc... Its perfect... I didn't know, or I might have grabbed a 20ForBeers.bbsforever.com...

    Unique service to offer to people that they can't get anywhere else, the more captivating the more you will draw people in. Offer something
    unique and fun or informational that can't be got from anywhere else people will come back for more and more. Before you know it you have regulars.

    :P I *think* this is why I am grabbing users NOW. I have a fairly unique (Personal Vintage Pin-Up collection) adult section, hosting eXoDOS archive and the eXtra Menu stuff I carry... some people like to login to the TALISMAN BBS or the x84 BBS. I'm adding an ENiGMA one, too - but these are tough because... jeez man I have to create and setup an entire BBS. Lots of work...

    I'm currently working on hosting recent (the last decade) hack dumps that have been released by Lulzsec, Antisec, Anonymous and... a few others. All the Julian Assange Legal Docs/Info/Videos, Chinga La Migra Hacks, Fuck FBI Friday Hacks, Shooting the Sheriffs Saturday Hack, Corrupt Brazil Data Dump, and a few others. I'm working on a cool way for users to have to 'hack' into the data - to get the access flag. Right now, I'm working on a 'linux terminal' where a user can 'cat filename.ext' and run a 'binary executable' file to give themselves access - but its coming slowly, I don't know how many users will KNOW LINUX and... I've been thinking maybe I need to drop it down a notch.

    I also have ANSiStory on the back burner... which is dumb, as I know almost exactly what I want it to LOOK LIKE in the end. This will be a BBS menu driven history of ANSi, along with ANSI for the user to consume in several different formats. From scrolling @ 38.4k to using the viewer to using the menu-viewer... and other ideas. :P

    Anyway, I'm working on - things. I laugh often at the amount of time spent... but I try to remember that this can be around forever.

    Thanks for your help... I certainly listen when it comes from mL. :P



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  • From The Godfather@1337:3/132 to paulie420 on Thu Feb 25 10:10:03 2021
    Yea, I really like your Discord bots. Both Meaty's Wormhole and The Underground channel have been places to bring together BBS people
    outside of the textmode world... I've been advertising The Underground Discord, and bringing my new users there. Its a good companion to the
    BBS, and fills in some spots where BBSes lack 'current tech'.

    I too have found Discord to be of value for quickly sharing code, helping new SysOps, or asking for help from SME's that I have limited knowledge within. I also love the collaboration when working on current projects with an RCS mod, or two ANSI artists trading feedback, etc. And yes, the occasional funny video post from ML are a great break during this "new normal" that is filled with abnormalities.

    Discord is also a great way to archive helpful youtube links relating to tech, coding, art, gaming, music, and good binge suggetions. IN addition an archive of helpful tutorials for newer sysops (such as ML's and BP's Linux Tutorials,) MPL Tutorials, etc. Discord also is a fun place to show off new BBS features as there are SysOps who tend to call only when they here or get the vibe that new things are to be seen (which is totally fine). Most importantly, as you mentioned Paulie, I find Discord to be a great intersection between the various avenues of Retro communities that otherwise would not cross paths.

    With the aforementioned said, I have to be careful not to allow the subconscious to turn my server into another Facebook. I've been trying to restrict my use of it, tie my hands if you will, to prevent that from occurring, and just allow the community to use it as they please. Discord can have that similar psychological impact of "getting likes and new friends," etc.. if I personally am not careful.

    My overall personal conflict with "Marketing" The Underground, besides my dislike of social media, is that frequency to me feels disingenuous and or self promoting if done within every aspect of my communication. ML has a great point about the frequency on the BOT channels, and non privacy violating websites/forums being a great place to strategically advertise, if done so with diverse content. Paulie has done a great job of such on Reddit, as I get these magical users calling The Underground and/or signing up for the discord channel, stating they saw "my" ad? lol! Thanks Paulie, shucks.

    As for what I've been doing to grow a user base at the Underground? I suppose a bit limited compared to some, and/or more organic approach by building relationships with those who want to .. however here's what I have been up to:

    1. Offering my help to other sysops, being receptive to feedback and making changes to the BBS, and constantly working on it to improve the user experience.
    2. Creating a 4:3 and 16:9 theme for those "old" and "new" to BBS'ing, offering diversity in preference. Behind the scenes building a third BBS. I may even add an Underground theme that is non light bar and more hot key/a decade more retro then either of the two themes I have.
    3. Constantly coding and adding new things, drawing and adding new ANSI's, to keep the BBS fresh trying to never give the feel of it being on idle. In addition, being a part of RCS and writing mods that others like, with us releasing new stuff with frequency, helps improve calls for support and/or to see what we are working toward releasing next (if we do a good job and our mods are used ..)
    4. Content content content. I've been on several BBS's that look amazing, until one hits the main menu, and there isn't anything to DO. Like you, lately I've been working to build my file area with unique content, and A LOT of it (as you know, but ... still only halfway there). I think over 20,000 new retro roms and more. Heck I have 11,000 C64 games online now.
    5. The Underground Discord Server that currently Quantum Wormhole, 20forbeers, and Pimp BBS are utilizing; more are welcome to. It's for all.
    6. Bot posts, but need to update those and apply more of the suggestions you gave ML; and Paulie, I can help with the file formatting. The ANSI file can be saved to Mystic posting requirements using the Mystic Editor, and Moebius makes it easier to set specific canvas requirements the post ansi file requires. Also, I think I know two people reading or writing this post who are quite capable of adjusting an ANSI to fit within the requirements ;)
    7. The Hitman game/mod, and working to dial it in from an appearance and desirability factor, so that it becomes a more used and fun feature of the Underground. It slowly evolves daily, somewhere on the BBS :/

    What I'd like to do more of:
    1. Trying to learn and remember to use Reddit, although, I haven't had the mental capacity to "play in the forums or echos" until recent, hence the long winded post.
    2. I'd like to make video ads, but I'm unclear on the software to use for Windows, nor where to get the software. I remember when downloads.com was THE place to see the top reviewed titles, of truly shareware and reliable software -- I have found lately it is moreso malware and or free trial trickery. Any suggestions, I'll give it a shot!
    3. I'd like to start a video channel, but oddly not for retro computing. Keeping it short, but can expand for those who would like to hear more, I'd like to start "how to" videos relating to landscaping, lawn care, and plant care beginning with very simple topics such as "how to properly use a shovel" with my 4 year old demonstrating, as I can't tell you how many times I had to prevent injuries of my past employees from not knowing how to dig correctly. With the season approaching, I'd like to have the right camera, software, and editing tools soon, to timely post decent videos online, preferably avoiding youtube. And yes, somehow having my BBS advertising make sense within them somewhere. 4. I need to get to a stopping point on 4 different mystic mods I'm involved in, to temporarily shift my focus on getting my webpage on the .. umm .. web.
    5. Basically, I have too much going on, must be my ADHD in overdrive.

    Great conversation starter Paulie and ML. These ideas, energy, and passion, are what make or break BBS'ing. I know there are many that feel BBS's are nothing more then museums of the past; however I'm finding many new users utilizing them in the present as a replacement of the toxicity of Social Media. Whether a BBS truly is nothing more then a relic, I refuse to allow myself to have that mindset, as it only takes a few good coders and artists to really show people that there is relevance to BBS'ing in 2021. The more that are helping peeps find both BBS's and Discord, the easier the efforts become -- both of you are much appreciated by many and I for your continued efforts.

    -tG

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/02/12 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: The Underground [@] www.theunderground.us:10023 (1337:3/132)
  • From paulie420@1337:3/129 to The Godfather on Fri Feb 26 18:54:27 2021
    Great conversation starter Paulie and ML. These ideas, energy, and passion, are what make or break BBS'ing. I know there are many that
    feel BBS's are nothing more then museums of the past; however I'm
    finding many new users utilizing them in the present as a replacement of the toxicity of Social Media. Whether a BBS truly is nothing more then
    a relic, I refuse to allow myself to have that mindset, as it only takes
    a few good coders and artists to really show people that there is relevance to BBS'ing in 2021. The more that are helping peeps find both BBS's and Discord, the easier the efforts become -- both of you are much appreciated by many and I for your continued efforts.

    -tG

    Wow, Doug... thanks for this reply. Like... a lot. :P I know I missed it for a couple days, my week has been hectic.

    Wow... lots to unpackage. I also like the Discord stuff, and mL with his MRC-LOBBY area... and other 'social' aspects of his D channel... I think he's doing a great job. Giving US ideas, even... and yea - its so cool to join the meat-up when I'm working, and otherwise wouldn't be able to... I'll share, tho - I need to make sure I'm not driving and graavy train'ing. OMG. :P

    And dangit, tG... I wish you'd of told me earlier that you got SOME callers from 'your ads'.. I asked. :P Anyway, YES... I try really hard not to over-do it on the non-BBS sites, because I think nothing would be worse than to BOT-Post stupid videos EVERY damn minute. But you're right, I did make an advert for The Underground, and... I think I should post it again - I just didn't think it worked for you as well as I, and... I have plans for a version 2.0 that has MORE of the how-to BBS and not only MY BBS in it. :P Regardless, I think I'll keep PLAYING with this marketing... you are in it, for sure. And I'd LOVE to post other big boys.. like the Wormhole... but haven't yet. They'll tell me if they don't mind being in cool reddit videos.
    I do try NOT to spam them... and I've seen an influx of calls because of them. (Or, IT.)

    Doug, you do GREAT with the modding... I freaking LOVE seeing what new stuff you come up with @ Underground. Party Time is AWESOME, Hitman is AWESOME, and I see you growing and learning to mod better. Good job, dude. I have a good idea... but I'm slower than you. I'll share it in RCS, Doug...

    I love that tG has kinda of opened his The Underground Discord channel to me... at least for me to use, and invite folks to... I certainly don't have the time to do another THING, and its really cool that I can still have a 'home base' on Discord. I am thinking of doing a weekend hour for new sysOps, to answer their questions - I think it'll be beneficial for them to hear their peers questions; and they will come away learning info that they didn't even know they might have needed. We'll need some mature sysOps to help with answers, and I would love to use The Underground Discord to host it. :P Maybe I can even rustle up a channel/area for new sysOp questions- or some title we come up with.

    The list of things you're currently doing is great, tG... I know you've been giving help out. I try to, also, mostly thru email on my BBS. Ulysses asks daily questions, NUKE is switching over to Mystic and I've tried to help him - and while MAXMOUSE is better than me at many things, I was trying to guide him (guide... god, he is a mature sysOp... I don't mean in the normal new user way) but.. anyway, I've been doing that too. :P Yer board looks great and we can certainly see your hard work Doug.

    Mostly, thanks for joining this discussion. I love that everyone is willing to help me... this community is just so... BBS. :P Best ever.



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  • From The Godfather@1337:3/132 to paulie420 on Sat Feb 27 09:11:38 2021
    Wow... lots to unpackage. I also like the Discord stuff, and mL with his MRC-LOBBY area... and other 'social' aspects of his D channel... I think he's doing a great job. Giving US ideas, even... and yea - its so cool
    to join the meat-up when I'm working, and otherwise wouldn't be able
    to... I'll share, tho - I need to make sure I'm not driving and graavy train'ing. OMG. :P

    I'm sure ML could get Siri working with MRC, then have it tell you to read all of the chatter to you through your truck speakers ;) Yeah, don't MRC and drive. And dang it, I missed the meat up again. It'll be nice when I'm fully recovered from this having been sick.

    And dangit, tG... I wish you'd of told me earlier that you got SOME callers from 'your ads'.. I asked. :P Anyway, YES... I try really hard
    not to over-do it on the non-BBS sites, because I think nothing would be worse than to BOT-Post stupid videos EVERY damn minute. But you're

    Oh, I thought you had asked if I had posted the ad you made for me, but had held off as you have that version 2.0 coming out, and .. I haven't found many reddit pages to dive into atm. But I do have too many plates spinning right now. So .. greatly appreciated that you posted it for me and yeah, I've had about 8 new users rather recently whoms names I was unfamiliar with from "within the scene." So thank you.

    Doug, you do GREAT with the modding... I freaking LOVE seeing what new stuff you come up with @ Underground. Party Time is AWESOME, Hitman is AWESOME, and I see you growing and learning to mod better. Good job,
    dude. I have a good idea... but I'm slower than you. I'll share it in
    RCS, Doug...

    Gee, thanks Paulie.

    I love that tG has kinda of opened his The Underground Discord channel
    to me... at least for me to use, and invite folks to... I certainly
    don't have the time to do another THING, and its really cool that I can still have a 'home base' on Discord. I am thinking of doing a weekend
    hour for new sysOps, to answer their questions - I think it'll be beneficial for them to hear their peers questions; and they will come
    away learning info that they didn't even know they might have needed. We'll need some mature sysOps to help with answers, and I would love to use The Underground Discord to host it. :P Maybe I can even rustle up a channel/area for new sysOp questions- or some title we come up with.

    Absolutely, just let me know what you want the name of the channel to be and I'll get it set up for you to use (do so via PM on Discord as I don't read the echos daily).

    -tG

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/02/12 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: The Underground [@] www.theunderground.us:10023 (1337:3/132)
  • From paulie420@1337:3/129 to The Godfather on Sun Feb 28 09:34:17 2021
    Absolutely, just let me know what you want the name of the channel to be and I'll get it set up for you to use (do so via PM on Discord as I
    don't read the echos daily).

    -tG

    Sweet. MAYBE something like 'Paulies Sysop Questions' OR 'New Sysop Questions' - doesn't have to say Paulie, as I need YOU and other active sysops to help with answers, but some what that those new users know thats the room for it;

    New Mystic Sysop Help Room
    Mystic Sysop Help



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