• Someone should make that happen..

    From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Andeddu on Mon Jul 12 07:11:00 2021
    Hello Andeddu!

    ** On Saturday 10.07.21 - 20:45, Andeddu wrote to Nightfox:

    ..Apple has iMessage
    which allows users to contact each other using any of their
    devices. I often start a conversation on my smartphone and,
    once I get home, I continue the conversation over my
    iPad... I don't have a MacBook or iMac but either device
    would also be compatible. Something totally third-party
    which could be used on a device of any brand would be
    pretty great though. Someone should make that happen.

    Telegram is exactly that. Fully synchronized across devices.
    Use it on Android, iPhone, iPad, PC, Linux, MacOS.

    https://telegram.org/

    Works on 32bit and 64bit devices too.

    Some Fidonet echos are linked up with it.
    For more info on the Fidonet part, start here:

    https://t.me/joinchat/TWCQfOZqwwOmweR1


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Arelor on Tue Jul 13 09:34:21 2021
    Re: Someone should make that happen..
    By: Arelor to Ogg on Tue Jul 13 2021 04:08 am

    Pretty much that. I find Telegram to be a superior product to Whatsapp if just because it is true multiplatform and you can use it both from your portable devices and your workstations without any convoluted process.

    And I don't like Telegram that much.


    i prefer telegram over most things. i dont like how google censors the channels, so i have to get the direct version or another one that isnt on the store.
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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to Ogg on Wed Jul 14 18:11:26 2021
    Re: Someone should make that happen..
    By: Ogg to Andeddu on Mon Jul 12 2021 07:11 am

    Telegram is exactly that. Fully synchronized across devices.
    Use it on Android, iPhone, iPad, PC, Linux, MacOS.

    https://telegram.org/

    Works on 32bit and 64bit devices too.

    Some Fidonet echos are linked up with it.
    For more info on the Fidonet part, start here:

    https://t.me/joinchat/TWCQfOZqwwOmweR1

    I've never really heard much about Telegram before. Checked out the website there and it looks really decent. Is it popular enough in your country? Some of the YouTubers I follow have mentioned it before... I hope it picks up traction!

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Wed Jul 14 18:02:00 2021
    Hello MRO!

    ** On Tuesday 13.07.21 - 09:34, MRO wrote to Arelor:

    i prefer telegram over most things. i dont like how google
    censors the channels, so i have to get the direct version
    or another one that isnt on the store. -+-

    Once it's installed your devices, updates are built-in from the
    app and you don't need to look for any other versions. The
    telegram.org site has everything you need.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ogg on Wed Jul 14 21:53:13 2021
    Re: Someone should make that happen..
    By: Ogg to MRO on Wed Jul 14 2021 06:02 pm


    Once it's installed your devices, updates are built-in from the
    app and you don't need to look for any other versions. The
    telegram.org site has everything you need.

    you can optionally use other versions of telegram. i dont mean old versions. i mean other clients.
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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Arelor on Thu Jul 15 07:05:00 2021
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Tuesday 13.07.21 - 04:08, Arelor wrote to Ogg:

    https://t.me/joinchat/TWCQfOZqwwOmweR1

    Pretty much that. I find Telegram to be a superior product
    to Whatsapp if just because it is true multiplatform and
    you can use it both from your portable devices and your
    workstations without any convoluted process.

    The sync'ing across devices is rather interesting. I can start
    tapping out a reply on my phone, and continue the message part-
    way on the desktop app.

    It has very efficient use of mobile data too. When there is no
    activity, there is little to no data transfer (unlike Matrix or
    Discord which seem to constantly poll for data).

    At one point I had accidentally triggered a phone call with
    someone in chat. I was connected via wifi at my shop, and the
    quality was pretty darn good for the few seconds that it took
    to hear the other person and apologize for the accidental call.

    And I don't like Telegram that much.

    Why not?


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Arelor on Fri Jul 16 09:02:09 2021
    Re: Someone should make that happen..
    By: Arelor to Ogg on Fri Jul 16 2021 03:28 am


    Their reference desktop implementation is built on Electron, which is a framework known for raping your RAM continuously, because it knows application frameworks cannot be thrown into jail for their evil deeds.


    dunno, doesnt rape my memory on my desktop.

    Also it is liked to a phone number which I dislike as an authentication system. It means the ability to sign up to the service is liked to your ability to connect to a regular phone network or fake it, plus I don't need to have my identity liked to a phone subscription for a service that should not be using a phone network. I understand the reasons - for the service administrators it is so much easier to use phones as authenticators than

    yeah and if you make yourself visible you still get bots msging you. or people scamming you for steam cards. i find it fun sometimes.

    So well, it gets the job done but it is not *that* good. It certainly beats the crap out of Whatsapp because Whatsapp non-mobile implementation is a JOKE (Telegram's suck but it DOES work), and they have the same problems

    it seems to work fine for what it's designed for.
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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to Ogg on Fri Jul 16 13:45:42 2021
    Re: Someone should make that happen..
    By: Ogg to MRO on Wed Jul 14 2021 06:02 pm

    Once it's installed your devices, updates are built-in from the
    app and you don't need to look for any other versions. The
    telegram.org site has everything you need.

    Does the person I'm texting also need to have telegram installed? Seems to me there's a shit load of messaging software out there.

    ... When you haven't got enough iodine in your blood you get a glacier.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to HusTler on Fri Jul 16 19:14:22 2021
    Re: Someone should make that happen..
    By: HusTler to Ogg on Fri Jul 16 2021 01:45 pm

    Re: Someone should make that happen..
    By: Ogg to MRO on Wed Jul 14 2021 06:02 pm

    Once it's installed your devices, updates are built-in from the
    app and you don't need to look for any other versions. The
    telegram.org site has everything you need.

    Does the person I'm texting also need to have telegram installed? Seems to m there's a shit load of messaging software out there.

    ... When you haven't got enough iodine in your blood you get a glacier.


    Yes, I am afraid Telegram is a silo. In order to talk to people in the silo you have to enter the silo yourself.

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Arelor on Fri Jul 16 18:41:00 2021
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Friday 16.07.21 - 03:28, Arelor wrote to Ogg:

    Their reference desktop implementation is built on
    Electron, which is a framework known for raping your RAM
    continuously, because it knows application frameworks
    cannot be thrown into jail for their evil deeds.


    Ok.. I dunno what Electron is. I might look it up. But wrt
    RAM, the DT version on my XP laptop only uses up an extra 200KB
    of RAM after it loads.

    Also it is liked to a phone number which I dislike as an
    authentication system. ... [...] I understand the reasons -
    for the service administrators it is so much easier to use
    phones as authenticators than user/password combos - but as
    a power end user it is insulting.

    Perhaps they use the phone for authentication because the app
    was originally a phone app? ...and DT version came later?

    So well, it gets the job done but it is not *that* good.
    It certainly beats the crap out of Whatsapp because
    Whatsapp non-mobile implementation is a JOKE (Telegram's
    suck but it DOES work), and they have the same problems
    Telegram does without its advantages (like propper bot
    support and not being related to Facebook).

    Telegram just seems very efficient in how it operates. I like
    that.

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Arelor on Fri Jul 16 19:19:00 2021
    Their reference desktop implementation is built on
    Electron, which is a framework known for raping your RAM
    continuously, because it knows application frameworks
    cannot be thrown into jail for their evil deeds.

    Ok.. I dunno what Electron is. I might look it up. But wrt
    RAM, the DT version on my XP laptop only uses up an extra 200KB
    of RAM after it loads.

    Ooops. Make that 200MB, not 200KB.




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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to HusTler on Fri Jul 16 21:49:00 2021
    Hello HusTler!

    ** On Friday 16.07.21 - 13:45, HusTler wrote to Ogg:

    Does the person I'm texting also need to have telegram
    installed? Seems to me there's a shit load of messaging
    software out there.

    There are a load of others, and most of them are shit, indeed.

    But Telegram is pretty sweet. ;)

    And yes, the other party needs Telegram installed and
    activated. But note, you are not forced to use it just on a
    phone. The desktop version provides the convenience of using
    your computer's keyboard. And, a recent update to the desktop
    version introduced modest photo-editing *BEFORE* sending a
    photo attachment. THAT is extremely handy when I want send a
    screenshot and highlight a particular part of the screen by
    drawing a circle or an arrow or adding a text lable or
    something.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Ogg on Sat Jul 17 08:16:40 2021
    Re: Someone should make that happen..
    By: Ogg to Arelor on Fri Jul 16 2021 06:41 pm

    Also it is liked to a phone number which I dislike as an
    authentication system. ... [...] I understand the reasons -
    for the service administrators it is so much easier to use
    phones as authenticators than user/password combos - but as
    a power end user it is insulting.

    Perhaps they use the phone for authentication because the app
    was originally a phone app? ...and DT version came later?

    Maybe, but something I have noticed is that common users are no longer capable of using user/password combinations at all. I am sure developers are aware of this.

    What I mean is that is is extremely common for end users to set an user/password for some service, such as email. Then they load their access credentials in some program or application that manages them automatically so they never have to type them ever again. Then a catastrophe happens to device that stored the credentials, and when they want to access the service from a new device they discover it is user/password protected _AND THEY DIDN'T REMEMBER IT WAS USER/PASSWORD PROTECTED AT ALL_.

    So in the end of the day you get lots of phone calls from grandmas and Stoneage Joes demanding to know "Why the service is password protected now" or just asking for the credentials to be reset. If the service is any big the overhead is just BRUTAL.

    The simple solution is to skip the password system and use SMS verification.
    It sucks for power users because power users understand there is no reason why the provider should have your phone number at all and it is just a maneuver for their gain and nothing else.But it helps them deal with the sheeple with less work.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Ogg on Sat Jul 17 08:39:59 2021
    Re: Someone should make that happen..
    By: Ogg to Arelor on Fri Jul 16 2021 07:19 pm

    Their reference desktop implementation is built on
    Electron, which is a framework known for raping your RAM
    continuously, because it knows application frameworks
    cannot be thrown into jail for their evil deeds.

    Ok.. I dunno what Electron is. I might look it up. But wrt
    RAM, the DT version on my XP laptop only uses up an extra 200KB
    of RAM after it loads.

    Ooops. Make that 200MB, not 200KB.

    Electron is an abomination so alien to the laws of logic than even Yog-Sothoth The Lurker of the Gate regards it as a monstruosity.

    Essentially it is a framework for making programs, which works by loading into memory what can only be described as most of the Chromium web browser to run whatever program you intend to execute.

    Basically it is used for distributing pseudo-web applications within a capsule so you can run them as if they were desktop applications.

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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to Ogg on Sat Jul 17 09:39:17 2021
    Re: Someone should make that happen..
    By: Ogg to HusTler on Fri Jul 16 2021 09:49 pm

    There are a load of others, and most of them are shit, indeed.

    But Telegram is pretty sweet. ;)

    I installed it on both my phone and PC. Now I need to find someone else that uses it.

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to HusTler on Sat Jul 17 19:43:00 2021
    Hello HusTler!

    ** On Saturday 17.07.21 - 09:39, HusTler wrote to Ogg:

    There are a load of others, and most of them are shit,
    indeed.

    But Telegram is pretty sweet. ;)

    I installed it on both my phone and PC. Now I need to find
    someone else that uses it.

    I am t.me/aabolins My icon is a pile of books with a hat on
    top. I think just searching for "aabolins" would show my link
    too. I could then get you started in some fidonet groups so
    that you can see how it looks and works on Telegram. Most
    fidonet groups still need "real names", but as long as you sign
    your message with your real name that should be good enough for
    most moderators.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ogg on Sun Jul 18 06:11:40 2021
    Re: Someone should make that happen..
    By: Ogg to HusTler on Sat Jul 17 2021 07:43 pm


    I am t.me/aabolins My icon is a pile of books with a hat on
    top. I think just searching for "aabolins" would show my link
    too. I could then get you started in some fidonet groups so
    that you can see how it looks and works on Telegram. Most
    fidonet groups still need "real names", but as long as you sign
    your message with your real name that should be good enough for
    most moderators.

    whats the fidonet group names? when i search fidonet i just see a bunch of non english posting and spam
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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to Ogg on Sun Jul 18 08:17:05 2021
    Re: Someone should make that happen..
    By: Ogg to HusTler on Sat Jul 17 2021 07:43 pm

    I installed it on both my phone and PC. Now I need to find
    someone else that uses it.

    I am t.me/aabolins My icon is a pile of books with a hat on
    top. I think just searching for "aabolins" would show my link
    too. I could then get you started in some fidonet groups so

    Thanks. Sending a text right now

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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to MRO on Sun Jul 18 08:43:58 2021
    Re: Someone should make that happen..
    By: MRO to Ogg on Sun Jul 18 2021 06:11 am

    whats the fidonet group names? when i search fidonet i just see a bunch of non english posting and spam ---

    I'm seeing the same thing. Russian, Polish maybe??

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Sun Jul 18 10:13:00 2021
    Hello MRO!

    ** On Sunday 18.07.21 - 06:11, MRO wrote to Ogg:

    whats the fidonet group names? when i search fidonet i just
    see a bunch of non english posting and spam ..

    To avoid the detection and abuse by spam, otherbots, and people
    that duck-n-run, the fidonet ones are private or invite only.
    Originally (about a year ago now) that meant that an existing
    member was needed to "invite" another person OR add that person
    to a group. However (now about a year later), it is self
    administrating.

    If you already have Telegram set up, there are only two steps
    to link up:

    [1] Send a %LIST command in the chat with the @Fido2telebot for
    list of available areas.

    [2] Send a %help command in the chat with the @Fido2telebot for
    more info.

    The %LIST will send you a full list of echos available to join
    by providing the invite links for you. The list may take a few
    minutes to arrive (it's also in two parts).

    The specifically "Fidonet" (English) ones will have "Fidonet"
    in the description. There is one echo/group exception,
    FIDOTEST; that one is English too.

    After you've joined a group/echo, you will be able to read the
    back history of messages. But you will be able to POST only
    after you complete a part of the %userprofile with the
    @Fido2telebot bot.

    The %userprofile allows you to create an optional tagline, a
    signature, a real name, etc. This is akin to a minimum
    registration on a BBS.

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Arelor on Sun Jul 18 11:12:00 2021
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Saturday 17.07.21 - 08:16, Arelor wrote to Ogg:

    ..but something I have noticed is that common users are no
    longer capable of using user/password combinations at all.
    I am sure developers are aware of this.

    What I mean is that is is extremely common for end users to
    set an user/password for some service, such as email. Then
    they load their access credentials in some program or
    application that manages them automatically so they never
    have to type them ever again. Then a catastrophe happens to
    device that stored the credentials, and when they want to
    access the service from a new device they discover it is
    user/password protected _AND THEY DIDN'T REMEMBER IT WAS
    USER/PASSWORD PROTECTED AT ALL_.

    Yes... that seems to be a consequence of people once being
    accustomed to using desktops for most of their login
    requirements and switching to tablets or phones that seem to
    manange logins a bit differently?


    The simple solution is to skip the password system and use
    SMS verification. It sucks for power users because power
    users understand there is no reason why the provider should
    have your phone number at all and it is just a maneuver for
    their gain and nothing else.But it helps them deal with the
    sheeple with less work.

    Like I said.. I bet Telegram was designed with smartphones/
    tablets in mind considering that sales seem to indicated most
    people have migrated to those devices or that they are are 1st
    devices of purchase for those entering the "net" realm for the
    first time?

    Meanwhile, Telegram's desktop solution (via an Electron core)
    might be a kludge, but it is a fine and efficient kludge never
    the less. However, Telegram's open API allows anyone to design
    and build their own Telegram app. It would be cool if there
    was one that handled Fidonet echos with FTN characteristics in
    mind: in-line requoting, random taglines, etc.

    But the current solution provided by a sysop located in Crimea
    is very clever. He's built a bot that basically acts like a
    scanner/tosser and accomodates the various FTN requirements.

    The bot even accomodates modest netmail-to-Telegram messaging
    and visa versa. It's not a vastly advertised feature, but one
    that I am willing to explain how to operate to anyone who pops
    onto the network and asks me! ;)


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ogg on Mon Jul 19 09:25:03 2021
    Re: Someone should make that happen..
    By: Ogg to MRO on Sun Jul 18 2021 10:13 am

    To avoid the detection and abuse by spam, otherbots, and people
    that duck-n-run, the fidonet ones are private or invite only.

    that must be great for getting people.


    that duck-n-run, the fidonet ones are private or invite only.
    Originally (about a year ago now) that meant that an existing
    member was needed to "invite" another person OR add that person
    to a group. However (now about a year later), it is self
    administrating.

    If you already have Telegram set up, there are only two steps
    to link up:

    [1] Send a %LIST command in the chat with the @Fido2telebot for
    list of available areas.

    [2] Send a %help command in the chat with the @Fido2telebot for
    more info.

    The %LIST will send you a full list of echos available to join
    by providing the invite links for you. The list may take a few
    minutes to arrive (it's also in two parts).

    The specifically "Fidonet" (English) ones will have "Fidonet"
    in the description. There is one echo/group exception,
    FIDOTEST; that one is English too.

    After you've joined a group/echo, you will be able to read the
    back history of messages. But you will be able to POST only
    after you complete a part of the %userprofile with the
    @Fido2telebot bot.

    The %userprofile allows you to create an optional tagline, a
    signature, a real name, etc. This is akin to a minimum
    registration on a BBS.

    fuck that shit.
    i dont have time in my life for that horseshit.
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Ogg on Mon Jul 19 08:06:00 2021
    Ogg wrote to Arelor <=-

    Yes... that seems to be a consequence of people once being
    accustomed to using desktops for most of their login
    requirements and switching to tablets or phones that seem to
    manange logins a bit differently?

    Here's a shout-out to Keepass and Google Drive. I keep my keepass file in Google Drive and have my passwords on my phone *and* on my desktop and
    laptop.

    I use a plugin to add a "Connect via Putty" and "Connect Via WinSCP" right- click entry, so I for the systems I don't use a key with I can automatically connect without having to copy/paste creds.


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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Mon Jul 19 18:06:00 2021
    Hello MRO!

    ** On Monday 19.07.21 - 09:25, MRO wrote to Ogg:

    Re: Someone should make that happen..
    By: Ogg to MRO on Sun Jul 18 2021 10:13 am

    To avoid the detection and abuse by spam, otherbots, and people
    that duck-n-run, the fidonet ones are private or invite only.

    that must be great for getting people.

    I was just explaining the security behind it so that the
    Fidonet echos don't get spam. But if you're all set with
    Telegram , all you have to do is talk to the @Fido2telebot and
    send it the command %HELP and %LIST (akin to what BBSes do) and
    you wil receive all the info you need to get started.

    One more final registration with sending %userprofile to the
    bot to establish the real-name requirement, and you're done.

    fuck that shit.
    i dont have time in my life for that horseshit.

    That's hard for you? All that would only take less than 30 sec.
    That's too much time? :/ OK.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Jul 20 03:43:21 2021
    Re: Re: Someone should make that happen..
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Ogg on Mon Jul 19 2021 08:06 am

    Ogg wrote to Arelor <=-

    Yes... that seems to be a consequence of people once being
    accustomed to using desktops for most of their login
    requirements and switching to tablets or phones that seem to
    manange logins a bit differently?

    Here's a shout-out to Keepass and Google Drive. I keep my keepass file in Google Drive and have my passwords on my phone *and* on my desktop and laptop.

    I use a plugin to add a "Connect via Putty" and "Connect Via WinSCP" right- click entry, so I for the systems I don't use a key with I can automatically connect without having to copy/paste creds.


    ... Where is the edge?

    I don't trust a phone enough to manage a master password database from it.

    I use password-store instead, hosted in an SSH shell I control. I purposedly only use the password databse from machines trustworthy enough to initiate an SSH connection to the server hosting the database.

    If you like the Google Drive approach, Nextcloud would also work, pluss it has its own integrated password management solution via plugins.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Arelor on Tue Jul 20 06:54:00 2021
    Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    If you like the Google Drive approach, Nextcloud would also work, pluss
    it has its own integrated password management solution via plugins.

    If I ever move back to a "real" ISP, the first thing I'll do is put a box on
    a UPS at my house and go back to self-hosting. I did that way back when on a server-friendly ISP and enjoyed running my own services.

    I could put it on a VPS, but the data would be (I think) unencrypted and in the cloud - unless I'm mistaken. If there was a way to encrypt data at rest, I'd be all over that.


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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to MRO on Tue Jul 20 15:43:39 2021
    Re: Someone should make that happen..
    By: MRO to Ogg on Mon Jul 19 2021 09:25 am

    If you already have Telegram set up, there are only two steps
    to link up:

    [1] Send a %LIST command in the chat with the @Fido2telebot for
    list of available areas.

    [2] Send a %help command in the chat with the @Fido2telebot for
    more info.

    fuck that shit.
    i dont have time in my life for that horseshit.

    I agree. The developer has a lot of work to do. Everyone knows how I feel about fidonet but don't get me started. lol

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Wed Jul 21 00:13:00 2021
    Hello MRO!

    ** On Monday 19.07.21 - 09:25, MRO wrote to Ogg:

    The %userprofile allows you to create an optional tagline, a
    signature, a real name, etc. This is akin to a minimum
    registration on a BBS.

    fuck that shit.
    i dont have time in my life for that horseshit.

    The minimum requirement for %userprofile is Real Name.

    The other parts, %LIST and %HELP are no different than what any
    sysop is used to.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ogg on Wed Jul 21 09:54:10 2021
    Re: Someone should make that happen..
    By: Ogg to MRO on Wed Jul 21 2021 12:13 am

    Hello MRO!

    ** On Monday 19.07.21 - 09:25, MRO wrote to Ogg:

    The %userprofile allows you to create an optional tagline, a
    signature, a real name, etc. This is akin to a minimum
    registration on a BBS.

    fuck that shit.
    i dont have time in my life for that horseshit.

    The minimum requirement for %userprofile is Real Name.

    The other parts, %LIST and %HELP are no different than what any
    sysop is used to.

    or they could just moderate the channel instead of having people jump through hoops
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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Jul 21 10:32:51 2021
    Re: Re: Someone should make that happen..
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Tue Jul 20 2021 06:54 am

    Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    If you like the Google Drive approach, Nextcloud would also work, pluss it has its own integrated password management solution via plugins.

    If I ever move back to a "real" ISP, the first thing I'll do is put a box on a UPS at my house and go back to self-hosting. I did that way back when on a server-friendly ISP and enjoyed running my own services.

    I could put it on a VPS, but the data would be (I think) unencrypted and in the cl
    - unless I'm mistaken. If there was a way to encrypt data at rest, I'd be all over
    that.


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    There is a way to encrypt data at rest on the fly. You may give Cryptomator a try.
    Tons of mentions in Linux Magazine about it :-)

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Wed Jul 21 19:19:00 2021
    Hello MRO!

    ** On Wednesday 21.07.21 - 09:54, MRO wrote to Ogg:

    The minimum requirement for %userprofile is Real Name.

    The other parts, %LIST and %HELP are no different than what
    any sysop is used to.

    or they could just moderate the channel instead of having
    people jump through hoops -+-

    It *is* moderated if it has to be. But to get started, all you
    have to do is start the @Fido2telebot and send it the %LIST
    command, and in a few seconds-to-minutes you will get all the
    groups/echos that are bridged to the FTN.

    The list will provide the links that you can click on to JOIN.
    You can start reading any of those groups (and their
    backhistory of messages) immediately.

    To post, some of the groups need you to establish %realname
    (primarily to conform to FTN requirements) some do not. But if
    all you want to do is read, you don't have to do anything else.

    Two steps: [1] %Fido2telebot, [2] %LIST. That's not much of a
    jump through a loop. ;)


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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Jul 25 13:32:00 2021
    Hello pF!

    ** On Monday 19.07.21 - 08:06, you wrote to me:

    Here's a shout-out to Keepass and Google Drive. I keep my
    keepass file in Google Drive and have my passwords on my
    phone *and* on my desktop and laptop.

    I'm still leery of putting my trust into an app like Keepass.

    Instead, I use a "formula" to create a password depending on
    the site/domain that I visit. That way, I can conjur up a pw
    at anytime from any other device.

    I don't even need to remember the PIN for my credit cards.
    Instead, I just remember a pattern/sequence.

    I use a plugin to add a "Connect via Putty" and "Connect
    Via WinSCP" right- click entry, so I for the systems I
    don't use a key with I can automatically connect without
    having to copy/paste creds.

    What plugin is that? I find that SyncTerm seems to "remember"
    the SSH creds and logins are automatic.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ogg on Sun Jul 25 21:34:34 2021
    Re: Someone should make that happen..
    By: Ogg to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Jul 25 2021 01:32 pm

    Hello pF!

    ** On Monday 19.07.21 - 08:06, you wrote to me:

    Here's a shout-out to Keepass and Google Drive. I keep my
    keepass file in Google Drive and have my passwords on my
    phone *and* on my desktop and laptop.

    I'm still leery of putting my trust into an app like Keepass.


    keepass keeps all your data with you.
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Ogg on Mon Jul 26 06:58:00 2021
    Ogg wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    What plugin is that? I find that SyncTerm seems to "remember"
    the SSH creds and logins are automatic.

    QuickConnect plugin for Keepass. I swear by it at work, I have a ton of systems that I'm converting over to public key that still use unique passwords.




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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Sep 3 18:43:50 2021
    On 7/20/2021 6:54 AM, poindexter FORTRAN wrote:
    If you like the Google Drive approach, Nextcloud would also work, pluss
    it has its own integrated password management solution via plugins.

    If I ever move back to a "real" ISP, the first thing I'll do is put a box on a UPS at my house and go back to self-hosting. I did that way back when on a server-friendly ISP and enjoyed running my own services.

    I could put it on a VPS, but the data would be (I think) unencrypted and in the cloud - unless I'm mistaken. If there was a way to encrypt data at rest, I'd be all over that.
    If you self-host in the cloud, you can use an encrypted volume if you
    like, but given that volume can boot without a passphrase, it doesn't
    provide *that* much security. A few people will use FUSE mounts for the
    likes of S3 or similar, then encrypt that data... it'd be at rest across
    a different system than the server itself, which is slightly better.

    Getting my pihole and wireguard setup this weekend, at least that's the
    plan.
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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Tracker1 on Sun Sep 5 08:29:35 2021
    Re: Re: Someone should make that happen..
    By: Tracker1 to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Sep 03 2021 06:43 pm

    On 7/20/2021 6:54 AM, poindexter FORTRAN wrote:
    If you like the Google Drive approach, Nextcloud would also work, pluss >> it has its own integrated password management solution via plugins.

    If I ever move back to a "real" ISP, the first thing I'll do is put a box a UPS at my house and go back to self-hosting. I did that way back when on server-friendly ISP and enjoyed running my own services.

    I could put it on a VPS, but the data would be (I think) unencrypted and i the cloud - unless I'm mistaken. If there was a way to encrypt data at res I'd be all over that.
    If you self-host in the cloud, you can use an encrypted volume if you
    like, but given that volume can boot without a passphrase, it doesn't provide *that* much security. A few people will use FUSE mounts for the likes of S3 or similar, then encrypt that data... it'd be at rest across
    a different system than the server itself, which is slightly better.

    Getting my pihole and wireguard setup this weekend, at least that's the plan.

    A good way to store data safely in a Virtual Private Server is a FUSE encryption layer such as Cryptomator. I am not a big fan of Cryptomator but the concept is neat. Your file synchronization tool only sees encrypted files, and your VPS only sees encrypted files. However, in your own computer you work with unencrypted files in a transparent manner.

    Much better than using a Veracrypt volume or similar solution, for file sync tools at least.

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