• Re: KICQ as an "Old New I

    From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to knightbbs on Sat Jun 26 08:28:00 2021
    Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
    By: knightbbs to MRO on Fri Jun 25 2021 10:41 pm

    nobody uses instant msging anymore.

    Shame actually. I got on the net in 1996 and ICQ and IRC were my main means of communication. I loved getting the oh-ow sounds when logging in, having people reach out to me and exchanging messages.

    i used to have so many people bothering me though. it was pretty annoying at times. it's my fault, i had my client open.

    i prefer texting and telegram and irc now.
    i reply when i'm able.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Arelor on Thu Jul 1 21:57:50 2021
    Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
    By: Arelor to MRO on Thu Jul 01 2021 06:09 pm


    Whatsapp and the like have a big edge against old-school texting because phone plans in Spain usually don't include free or cheap SMS. Instead, data plans
    are available in spades.


    that's sad. you guys are almost 20 years behind the rest of the world.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Andeddu on Wed Jul 7 22:06:25 2021
    Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
    By: Andeddu to MRO on Wed Jul 07 2021 05:19 pm

    Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
    By: MRO to Andeddu on Mon Jul 05 2021 09:28 am

    that's so fucking backwards. you shouldnt have a limited amount of txt msgs.

    Most contacts I see now have huge data or unlimited data plans and very limited text message and call time. The way I see it is that text messaging and phone calls are so 2008 and we've moved on since then.

    thats very strange for them to limit calls and txting.
    why would they even do that if they provide unlimited data?
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Arelor on Thu Jul 8 10:34:59 2021
    Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
    By: Arelor to Andeddu on Thu Jul 08 2021 06:22 am

    That is a very firstworldler-like declaration to make.

    A lot of people on this ball of mud we call Earth does not even have a data plan at all. They just can't afford it. I have heard a lot of people in India has smartphones without dataplans at all and they get their Internet fix using public wifis or whatever.

    2600 magazine has a regular column called "Telecom Insider" written by a guy who travels the world contracting for telcos. He does a good job of documenting the telco conditions in the countries he visits.

    He described a China a few years back where "regular joes" did most of their commerce with a feature phone bought with a pre-paid plan, and using SMS to pay bills and conduct business. I'd almost prefer that to the State-Of-The-Art people are pushing.
  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Jul 9 02:32:03 2021
    Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Thu Jul 08 2021 10:34 am

    Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
    By: Arelor to Andeddu on Thu Jul 08 2021 06:22 am

    That is a very firstworldler-like declaration to make.

    A lot of people on this ball of mud we call Earth does not even have a data plan at all. The
    just can't afford it. I have heard a lot of people in India has smartphones without dataplan
    at all and they get their Internet fix using public wifis or whatever.

    2600 magazine has a regular column called "Telecom Insider" written by a guy who travels the wor
    contracting for telcos. He does a good job of documenting the telco conditions in the countries
    visits.

    He described a China a few years back where "regular joes" did most of their commerce with a
    feature phone bought with a pre-paid plan, and using SMS to pay bills and conduct business. I'd
    almost prefer that to the State-Of-The-Art people are pushing.

    That sounds fine.

    How do you pay a bill using SMS?

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Andeddu on Mon Jul 12 09:36:50 2021
    Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
    By: Andeddu to MRO on Sun Jul 11 2021 01:29 pm

    Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
    By: MRO to Andeddu on Sat Jul 10 2021 04:07 pm

    it just seems like you guys are doing a work around, but acting like you are ahead of the rest of the world and innovative.

    But you were talking about it being better and more efficient if the user could use fewer applications and methods of contacting people rather than more. WhatsApp is close to perfect because it allows you to do everything -- standard IMing with an individual or a group, image, video and file

    that's good. you are allowing facebook to collect your information and your contact's information on all fronts with whatsapp.
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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to MRO on Wed Jul 14 18:06:38 2021
    Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
    By: MRO to Andeddu on Mon Jul 12 2021 09:36 am

    that's good. you are allowing facebook to collect your information and your contact's information on all fronts with whatsapp.

    Well you can't have your cake and eat it too. Either you allow big corporations to consolodate your information in return for convenience, or you're stuck using seperate programmes for individual needs and requirements.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Andeddu on Wed Jul 14 21:52:17 2021
    Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
    By: Andeddu to MRO on Wed Jul 14 2021 06:06 pm

    that's good. you are allowing facebook to collect your information and your contact's information on all fronts with whatsapp.

    Well you can't have your cake and eat it too. Either you allow big corporations to consolodate your information in return for convenience, or you're stuck using seperate programmes for individual needs and requirements.

    yeah, i'll do that instead of handing my life over to a company that's already been convicted in court multiple times for collecting and misusing user information.
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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Andeddu on Thu Jul 15 08:30:29 2021
    Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
    By: Andeddu to MRO on Wed Jul 14 2021 06:06 pm

    Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
    By: MRO to Andeddu on Mon Jul 12 2021 09:36 am

    that's good. you are allowing facebook to collect your information and yo contact's information on all fronts with whatsapp.

    Well you can't have your cake and eat it too. Either you allow big corporati to consolodate your information in return for convenience, or you're stuck using seperate programmes for individual needs and requirements.


    Or you use a program that incorporates all the functionality you need but works in a federated manned. Something like Retroshare, which provides chats and forums, videos and filesharing and what else, but each user runs their own instances.

    Think of email, in which you have your own email server but may send messages to people who uses a different email server.

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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to MRO on Sat Jul 17 02:58:42 2021
    Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
    By: MRO to Andeddu on Wed Jul 14 2021 09:52 pm

    Well you can't have your cake and eat it too. Either you allow big corporations to consolodate your information in return for convenience, or you're stuck using seperate programmes for individual needs and requirements.

    yeah, i'll do that instead of handing my life over to a company that's already been convicted in court multiple times for collecting and misusing user information.

    Well that's probably a wise choice. Eventually the Silicon Valley giants such as FaceBook, Google and Twitter are going to own it all though as they're contantly acquiring other companies and running them as subsiduries or amalgamating them into their own brands. I don't really care for social media though and I haven't plastered my entire life and GPS tracking data on their websites.

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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to Arelor on Sat Jul 17 03:06:51 2021
    Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
    By: Arelor to Andeddu on Thu Jul 15 2021 08:30 am

    Or you use a program that incorporates all the functionality you need but works in a federated manned. Something like Retroshare, which provides chats and forums, videos and filesharing and what else, but each user runs their own instances.

    Think of email, in which you have your own email server but may send messages to people who uses a different email server.

    I am sure is great and all but for something to be viable it has to be used by much of the population. I could probably have a small cluster of friends on a niche application such as Retroshare but then I would still have to use WhatsApp to speak with the rest of the normies in my chat group. I am not saying that WhatsApp, FaceBook and Twitter, etc... are all amazing but the superior versions run by companies that respect privacy are not known by the wider population.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Andeddu on Sat Jul 17 08:53:30 2021
    Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
    By: Andeddu to Arelor on Sat Jul 17 2021 03:06 am

    Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
    By: Arelor to Andeddu on Thu Jul 15 2021 08:30 am

    Or you use a program that incorporates all the functionality you need but works in a federated manned. Something like Retroshare, which provides ch and forums, videos and filesharing and what else, but each user runs thei own instances.

    Think of email, in which you have your own email server but may send messages to people who uses a different email server.

    I am sure is great and all but for something to be viable it has to be used much of the population. I could probably have a small cluster of friends on niche application such as Retroshare but then I would still have to use WhatsApp to speak with the rest of the normies in my chat group. I am not saying that WhatsApp, FaceBook and Twitter, etc... are all amazing but the superior versions run by companies that respect privacy are not known by the wider population.


    I think if some niche software you can use with your small group of friends, it *is* a viable program.

    I have 2000+ contacts in my address book and I only talk to 4 of them regularly. Most often by phone. You don't need a program that lets you talk to three million people, you need a program that lets you talk to the five people who matters to you.

    This is specially true because mainstream messengers are so abused that a message you send is unlikely to be read on time if it is urgent. I have a professional phone with some mainstream messenger installed and it is close to useless. People are just sick of messengers and just does not check them out very often anymore. Or they just check the chats of the three people who matters to them.

    But well, I suppose BBS are not viable since they are unknown to the wider population XD


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Arelor on Sat Jul 17 16:37:18 2021
    Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
    By: Arelor to Andeddu on Sat Jul 17 2021 08:53 am

    to useless. People are just sick of messengers and just does not check them out very often anymore. Or they just check the chats of the three people who matters to them.

    But well, I suppose BBS are not viable since they are unknown to the wider population XD


    it's not really that they are unknown. the problem is they suck and nobody wants to use one. if you show someone a bbs, they dont want to use it. they have no reason to use it.
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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to Arelor on Sun Jul 18 20:12:15 2021
    Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
    By: Arelor to Andeddu on Sat Jul 17 2021 08:53 am

    I think if some niche software you can use with your small group of friends, it *is* a viable program.

    I have 2000+ contacts in my address book and I only talk to 4 of them regularly. Most often by phone. You don't need a program that lets you talk to three million people, you need a program that lets you talk to the five people who matters to you.

    This is specially true because mainstream messengers are so abused that a message you send is unlikely to be read on time if it is urgent. I have a professional phone with some mainstream messenger installed and it is close to useless. People are just sick of messengers and just does not check them out very often anymore. Or they just check the chats of the three people who matters to them.

    But well, I suppose BBS are not viable since they are unknown to the wider population XD.

    I know that WhatsApp probably sells my data and spys on me, etc... but it's a very functional app. The reason it works in the UK is that EVERYONE is using it. I think in other countries IMs are splintered between iMessage, WhatsApp along with other messengers and people end up just using SMS text messaging as a happy medium. I mostly chat on WhatsApp with my friends and I am also part of a number of group chats with people I know and casual acquaintances. If I am playing a computer game on the PC with friend, we will usually speak over Skype. That's really the extent of social media and instant messengers for me.

    Lol, BBSes are totally niche to the wider population. I have mentioned it to a few people and have been met back with vacant blank stares. The closest main stream thing I can think of to describe BBSes is Teletext... only BBSes are like an interactive forum version of that. We are at the stage now where a lot of people don't even know what Teletext is though.

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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to MRO on Sun Jul 18 20:21:51 2021
    Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
    By: MRO to Arelor on Sat Jul 17 2021 04:37 pm

    But well, I suppose BBS are not viable since they are unknown to the wider population XD


    it's not really that they are unknown. the problem is they suck and nobody wants to use one. if you show someone a bbs, they dont want to use it. they have no reason to use it.

    There's also an entry barrier as BBSes are much more complicated to use than websites like Reddit, Facebook or other forums. The only reason I learned about the BBS scene is because I have a few oldie 80s computers I like to use online which is a fairly niche reason to be on in the first place.

    A lot of new users pop their heads in to see what the 80s internet was all about before going back onto the regular modern internet.

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Andeddu on Mon Jul 19 20:32:25 2021
    On 6/30/2021 7:39 AM, Andeddu wrote:

    IM clients on your phone are the main form of communication now. Where I am from pretty much everyone is on WhatsApp -- it's a very good way to keep in touch with people. I don't see much of a difference between IM clients such as
    WhatsApp and the likes of MSN other than it's based on a smart phone rather than a traditional computer. I hear a lot of people are on Discord now... I don't use that so I don't know much about it. Back when I used to play online games as a teen, we used mIRC to chat with one another. That was a LONG time ago though.
    Just realized I hadn't installed Discord yet... excuse to try Winget... worked.
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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Tracker1 on Tue Jul 20 03:45:05 2021
    Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
    By: Tracker1 to Andeddu on Mon Jul 19 2021 08:32 pm

    On 6/30/2021 7:39 AM, Andeddu wrote:

    IM clients on your phone are the main form of communication now. Where I a from pretty much everyone is on WhatsApp -- it's a very good way to keep i touch with people. I don't see much of a difference between IM clients suc as
    WhatsApp and the likes of MSN other than it's based on a smart phone rathe than a traditional computer. I hear a lot of people are on Discord now... don't use that so I don't know much about it. Back when I used to play onl games as a teen, we used mIRC to chat with one another. That was a LONG ti ago though.
    Just realized I hadn't installed Discord yet... excuse to try Winget... worked.

    My condolences for downloading and installing Discord.

    Don't forget to send your RAM to the hospital so they can use a rape kit on it after Discord is finished with it.

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Nightfox on Mon Jul 19 22:51:06 2021
    On 7/7/2021 8:58 AM, Nightfox wrote:
    These days, I've seen some instances where smartphone text messages
    are available on a PC/laptop

    Windows 11 has that too (works with Android, dunno about iOS). Of
    course, I've been using Google Voice, since it was Grand Central before
    Google bought them, so using my phone and desktop is pretty much been
    it... though I've also experienced every pain of Google's schizophrenic approach to chat applications.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Tracker1 on Tue Jul 20 09:05:38 2021
    Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
    By: Tracker1 to Andeddu on Mon Jul 19 2021 08:32 pm

    On 6/30/2021 7:39 AM, Andeddu wrote:

    IM clients on your phone are the main form of communication now. Where I am from pretty much everyone is on WhatsApp -- it's a very good way to keep in touch with people. I don't see much of a difference between IM clients such as
    WhatsApp and the likes of MSN other than it's based on a smart phone rather than a traditional computer. I hear a lot of people are on Discord now... I don't use that so I don't know much about it. Back when I used to play online games as a teen, we used mIRC to chat with one another. That was a LONG time ago though.
    Just realized I hadn't installed Discord yet... excuse to try Winget... worked.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Arelor on Tue Jul 20 09:09:35 2021
    Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
    By: Arelor to Tracker1 on Tue Jul 20 2021 03:45 am

    My condolences for downloading and installing Discord.

    Don't forget to send your RAM to the hospital so they can use a rape kit on it after Discord is finished with it.

    i installed it and it's using 182mb ram
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Tracker1 on Tue Jul 20 19:52:28 2021
    Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
    By: Tracker1 to Nightfox on Mon Jul 19 2021 10:51 pm

    These days, I've seen some instances where smartphone text messages
    are available on a PC/laptop

    Windows 11 has that too (works with Android, dunno about iOS). Of
    course, I've been using Google Voice, since it was Grand Central before Google bought them, so using my phone and desktop is pretty much been it... though I've also experienced every pain of Google's schizophrenic approach to chat applications.

    That's cool. I heard Windows 11 is supposed to be able to run Android apps.

    I had a Samsung phone not too long ago, and they had some software for Windows PCs that would let you control your phone from your PC. It would show the phone's screen on your PC and you could interact with it using that software. I thought it was interesting.

    Nightfox

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Arelor on Fri Sep 3 18:39:25 2021
    On 7/20/2021 1:45 AM, Arelor wrote:
    My condolences for downloading and installing Discord.

    Don't forget to send your RAM to the hospital so they can use a
    rape kit on it after Discord is finished with it.

    Every computer in my home has at least 32gb in it.

    Discord sitting at 287mb here, which is pretty high for what it is...
    Though I'm sitting with 40GB available, and about to drop in another
    64gb with a new video card when it gets in tomorrow.
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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Nightfox on Fri Sep 3 18:58:59 2021
    On 7/20/2021 7:52 PM, Nightfox wrote:
    Windows 11 has that too (works with Android, dunno about iOS). Of
    course, I've been using Google Voice, since it was Grand Central
    before Google bought them, so using my phone and desktop is pretty
    much been it... though I've also experienced every pain of Google's
    schizophrenic approach to chat applications.

    That's cool. I heard Windows 11 is supposed to be able to run Android
    apps.

    Yeah, apparently the feature will be post-release (October 5th) though.
    I haven't seen/tried it on insiders though.

    I had a Samsung phone not too long ago, and they had some software for Windows PCs that would let you control your phone from your PC. It
    would show the phone's screen on your PC and you could interact with
    it using that software. I thought it was interesting.

    Some Samsung (and other) phones actually have a hub/desktop mode where
    you can use a usb3 dock and get a desktop experience, that seems kind of
    cool too. Hadn't seen the mirroring.

    The win11 integration, I haven't used much and it's a little annoying to me.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Tracker1 on Sat Sep 4 13:37:10 2021
    Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
    By: Tracker1 to Nightfox on Fri Sep 03 2021 06:58 pm

    That's cool. I heard Windows 11 is supposed to be able to run Android
    apps.

    Yeah, apparently the feature will be post-release (October 5th) though.
    I haven't seen/tried it on insiders though.

    I've seen Android emulators for Windows that let you run Android apps on Windows. So it's something that's out there already. It seems Microsoft wants it included with Windows.. I wonder if it will be more of a seamless feature being integrated into Windows.

    Some Samsung (and other) phones actually have a hub/desktop mode where you can use a usb3 dock and get a desktop experience, that seems kind of cool too. Hadn't seen the mirroring.

    I had a Samsung S20 phone that did that, or at least something like that. I thought it was cool. It didn't need a dock - I could plug my phone into my PC with a USB3 cable, and the Samsung software would let me basically see my phone screen on my PC and interact with it from my PC that way.

    Nightfox

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Tracker1 on Sun Sep 5 08:26:18 2021
    Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
    By: Tracker1 to Arelor on Fri Sep 03 2021 06:39 pm

    On 7/20/2021 1:45 AM, Arelor wrote:
    My condolences for downloading and installing Discord.

    Don't forget to send your RAM to the hospital so they can use a
    rape kit on it after Discord is finished with it.

    Every computer in my home has at least 32gb in it.

    Discord sitting at 287mb here, which is pretty high for what it is...
    Though I'm sitting with 40GB available, and about to drop in another
    64gb with a new video card when it gets in tomorrow.

    Heh, you are necroing an old thread.

    Besides, it is awesome that the weakest of your computers has more RAM that every computer in my house combined, including smartphones. However, some of us have a tight budget and make do with scrapyard computers, and 250+mb is somethig you DO notice when the rest of what you are doing in the same computer takes less than 400 mb combined.And you notice it more when you are using computers with 1 or 2 Gb of RAM.

    My most powerful computer is from 2007, and it was obsoleted already.

    There is a lot of talk of being socially inclusive and whatnot in the IT industry, but something I often hear is:

    "We should deprecate this technology because nobody is using it"

    or

    "Let's make this thing a requirenment, everybody already has it, after all"

    The irony is that they end up deprecating technology because they don't use it anymore despite the fact there are lange numbers of people in less wealthy countries depending on the now deprecated technology. They don't care if somebody from Africa's screwed up because their lame software now requires more RAM than the whole village can afford.

    Also, Linux distributions were deprecating CD releases in favor of DVD releases "because nobody uses CDs anymore" despite the fact CD production was ON THE RISE WORLDWIDE because lots of poor countries prefer CDs over DVDs due to price.

    So it seems to me the IT industry is inclusive until the time comes to include people with no money or resources. Those we can screw up.

    So yes, it is awesome that you can afford to have 32 Gb of RAM on your weakest computer. But that is not an argument to make to a guy whose pro-computer fleet has no computer with more than 2.



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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Tracker1 on Wed Sep 22 15:30:55 2021
    Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
    By: Tracker1 to Arelor on Tue Sep 21 2021 04:39 pm

    On 9/5/2021 6:26 AM, Arelor wrote:

    So yes, it is awesome that you can afford to have 32 Gb of RAM on
    your weakest computer. But that is not an argument to make to a
    guy whose pro-computer fleet has no computer with more than 2.

    I wasn't trying to be offensive... only mentioning that 16+ has been
    widely available for a while, at least in the US. I'm often very
    surprised when I see something with less than 8gb.

    There's definitely some hard press to try to get something running that
    low on resources with a modern desktop. There was some options in
    Windows XP that let you use a fast USB or other drive as extension
    memory. Not sure if you can still do that in Windows or Linux.

    You can pull it off with Linux for sure. Just swapon the external drive :-)

    I was testing some setup for deployment yesterday. I used a workstation of 2 GB of RAM and a
    processor so cingeworthy I am not going to ashame myself by giving its specs here.

    The thing can run Firefox, Thunderbird and Libreoffice at the same time. It swaps from time to time
    but you can certainly use it in a pitch. If you can write reports in Writer while notifying
    insurance companies of a case's status via a web portal, while you get mails and live updates
    regarding events and schedules via calendar addons, then I think it is safe to say the computer you
    do it all from is usable :-)

    I also tested OpenBSD. Putting the working environment together was a bit hackish but it also does
    well. I think it is a bit more responsive than Linux in some regards but their Thunderbird
    implementation is slower.

    I also tried Tiny Core Linux. That thing rocks. It is blazing fast and you don't realize you are
    using a stoneage computer. The drawback is the distribution is no suitable for firmwork because the
    repositories lack package signing and the process by which they accept package submissions is too
    free-for-all.


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