• Windows update.

    From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Melkor on Mon Apr 12 16:50:00 2021
    Hello Melkor!

    ** On Monday 12.04.21 - 15:03, Melkor wrote to All:

    The latest update for windows 10 (64 bit) is failing with the error code 0x800f081f. Ive followed all the steps from microsoft and still getting
    the same thing. I have 1.5 gigs free so I dont think its a diskspace
    issue. Thought I would see if anyone in BBSland might have some other
    ideas on this one?

    This page might help:

    https://www.repairwin.com/fix-windows-10-1709-kb4054517-fails- to-install-0x800f081f/


    --- OpenXP 5.0.49
    * Origin: Ogg's Dovenet Point (723:320/1.9)
    ■ Synchronet ■ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTP
  • From Melkor@VERT/STARFRON to Ogg on Tue Apr 13 01:48:20 2021
    Re: Windows update.
    By: Ogg to Melkor on Mon Apr 12 2021 04:50 pm

    This page might help:

    https://www.repairwin.com/fix-windows-10-1709-kb4054517-fails- to-install-0x800f081f/
    Tried all of that except the last one because its a cheap laptop with out any cd drive.

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ Star Frontiers BBS starfron.synchronetbbs.org
  • From fusion@VERT/CFBBS to Melkor on Tue Apr 13 13:11:00 2021
    On 13 Apr 2021, Melkor said the following...

    1.5 gigs of free space sounds suspiciously low to me. I'd to get that space up to a least 10GB before attempting an update of Windows. -- digital man
    That would be nice but its a cheap HP Stream laptop that only has 32GB
    of eMMC s torage.

    unfortunately newer windows 10 versions seem to require 32gb just baseline. they even list separate criteria for earlier windows 10 versions..

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/04/08 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: cold fusion - cfbbs.net - grand rapids, mi
  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Melkor on Tue Apr 13 16:58:00 2021
    Hello Melkor!

    ** On Tuesday 13.04.21 - 13:13, Melkor wrote to Digital Man:

    1.5 gigs of free space sounds suspiciously low to me. I'd to get that
    free space up to a least 10GB before attempting an update of Windows. --
    digital man

    That would be nice but its a cheap HP Stream laptop that only has 32GB of eMMC storage.

    Can't you rollback to Win7? You'll probably get much better
    performance. 1.5GB free wouldn't even bode well under Win7.


    --- OpenXP 5.0.49
    * Origin: Ogg's Dovenet Point (723:320/1.9)
    ■ Synchronet ■ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTP
  • From Melkor@VERT/STARFRON to Ogg on Wed Apr 14 02:51:25 2021
    Re: Windows update.
    By: Ogg to Melkor on Tue Apr 13 2021 04:58 pm

    Can't you rollback to Win7? You'll probably get much better
    performance. 1.5GB free wouldn't even bode well under Win7.
    I dont think so. It came with win 10 pre installed.

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ Star Frontiers BBS starfron.synchronetbbs.org
  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to MRO on Tue Apr 13 06:28:00 2021
    MRO wrote to Melkor <=-

    it would be good if you could use a usb flashdrive to install windows. maybe some day we can do that?

    I do it all the time. Microsoft had a media creation site where you can download an image for CD or USB. License sold separately.



    ... Centrifugal force reacts to the rotating frame of reference.
    --- MultiMail/DOS v0.52
    ■ Synchronet ■ realitycheckBBS -- http://realitycheckBBS.org
  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Melkor on Wed Apr 14 17:38:00 2021
    Hello Melkor!

    ** On Wednesday 14.04.21 - 02:51, Melkor wrote to Ogg:

    Can't you rollback to Win7? You'll probably get much
    better performance. 1.5GB free wouldn't even bode well
    under Win7.

    I dont think so. It came with win 10 pre installed.

    I've read a few reviews about those special win 10 ssd-equipped
    laptops. Most of them were aligned with the idea that they were
    not good for productive things - not ram upgradeable either.

    Can you try a live linux distro to see if the hardware is
    suitable?

    Meanwhile, look for some large files that are nolonger needed on
    the laptop, and free up much more space. 1.5GB free is very
    likely a contributor to poor performance.

    --- OpenXP 5.0.49
    * Origin: Ogg's Dovenet Point (723:320/1.9)
    ■ Synchronet ■ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTP
  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to lynx769 on Wed Apr 14 17:39:00 2021
    Hello lynx769!

    ** On Wednesday 14.04.21 - 13:53, lynx769 wrote to Ogg:

    Can't you rollback to Win7? You'll probably get much
    better performance. 1.5GB free wouldn't even bode well
    under Win7.

    Even if you could, that would be a bad idea. Windows 7 is no
    longer receiving security updates unless you've purchased
    Extended Security Updates from Microsoft.

    Depends on how one would use Win7. I have Win7 Pro on three
    pcs. No problems whatsoever. I just use the MS Security
    Essentials on them. Infact, I was still getting rollup reminders
    up until a few months ago. My "recent" Thinkpad T540p that I
    acquired in Dec 2019 is waiting for me to acknowledge a few
    rollups.

    Maybe even a linux distro would be good for the Melkor's pc.

    --- OpenXP 5.0.49
    * Origin: Ogg's Dovenet Point (723:320/1.9)
    ■ Synchronet ■ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTP
  • From Digital Man@VERT to Nightfox on Thu Apr 15 09:15:12 2021
    Re: Re: Windows update.
    By: Nightfox to fusion on Wed Apr 14 2021 09:06 pm

    Re: Re: Windows update.
    By: fusion to Melkor on Tue Apr 13 2021 01:11 pm

    unfortunately newer windows 10 versions seem to require 32gb just baseline. they even list separate criteria for earlier windows 10 versions..

    So much bloat. I remember when 1GB seemed huge..

    I paid $1500 for my for first "large" hard disk in the early '90s:
    a 330MB 5.25" full-height Siemens ST506 drive. That was a massive upgrade over my collection of 20-80MB drives at the time and helped to make Vertrauen a popular BBS for image upload/download around that time.

    Then in the mid '90s, an upgrade to 1.2GB drive (another $1300), and I thought I'd never need another hard disk again. :-)
    --
    digital man

    This Is Spinal Tap quote #41:
    Ian Faith: It say's "Memphis show cancelled due to lack of advertising funds." Norco, CA WX: 54.7°F, 73.0% humidity, 0 mph ESE wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ Vertrauen ■ Home of Synchronet ■ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net
  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to lynx769 on Thu Apr 15 17:01:00 2021
    Hello lynx769!

    ** On Thursday 15.04.21 - 12:58, lynx769 wrote to Ogg:

    MS Security Essentials does not patch vulnerabilities found
    in Windows itself. Even MSE is on life support. It's no
    longer available for Windows XP and virus definitions will
    no longer be updated after 2023 even for Win7.

    I'm not excited about MSE entirely, but it's better than
    nothing. It was a fine performer on XP until it was finally
    depricated and ceased to function as expected. But a combination
    of SpybotS&D, Malwarebyes and SpywareBlaster seems to be good
    enough. I'll entertain a scan once in a while, and nothing has
    emerged to be a concern.

    As long as I don't capitulate to phishing emails, and as long as
    I stick with trusted websites, there is no reason for me to be
    afraid to use XP or Win7.

    I would imagine that the phishing emails I get hope to catch
    someone who is vulnerable to an unpatched exploit.

    The fact is, that unless you are enrolled in ESU, all Win 7
    machines are vulnerable. I get it, there are lots of reasons
    to use old software, but there risks to doing that and it
    shouldn't be minimized.

    I wouldn't try to pass a Win7 pc to someone new to the pc scene.
    But for myself, I think that I am OK with the Win7 and XP system
    just fine.


    --- OpenXP 5.0.49
    * Origin: Ogg's Dovenet Point (723:320/1.9)
    ■ Synchronet ■ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTP
  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Arelor on Fri Apr 16 09:11:00 2021
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Friday 16.04.21 - 02:53, Arelor wrote to Ogg:

    Then you visit a website that is posting content from an
    advertisement network that got compromised, get a malware-
    infected piece of advertisement, and then your machine
    belongs to some Russian blackhat mafia.

    I have script-killers and ad-blockers on the pcs. If I end up
    on a site that insists that I unblock the adblocker, I go
    somewhere else for the same info, or.. I try frogfind.

    There are reasons to stick to old operating systems, but you
    have to be extra careful. I have a Win 7 virtual machine
    which I run behind a filtering proxy in order to minimize
    vuln impacts, for example.

    Most of time I stick to the sites that I already know. I rarely
    need to seek new sites.

    gopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalken

    Your domain is still timing out from here.


    --- OpenXP 5.0.49
    * Origin: Ogg's Dovenet Point (723:320/1.9)
    ■ Synchronet ■ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTP
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Apr 17 08:28:45 2021
    Re: Re: Windows update.
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to MRO on Tue Apr 13 2021 06:28 am

    MRO wrote to Melkor <=-

    it would be good if you could use a usb flashdrive to install windows. maybe some day we can do that?

    I do it all the time. Microsoft had a media creation site where you can download an image for CD or USB. License sold separately.



    i was being sarcastic
    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to lynx769 on Sat Apr 17 08:29:25 2021
    Re: Re: Windows update.
    By: lynx769 to Ogg on Wed Apr 14 2021 01:53 pm

    Can't you rollback to Win7? You'll probably get much better performance. 1.5GB free wouldn't even bode well under Win7.

    Even if you could, that would be a bad idea. Windows 7 is no longer receiving security updates unless you've purchased Extended Security Updates from Microsoft.


    i have 3 win7 computers and they are getting updates and they fuck up every once in a while and i have to figure out whats wrong with the update.
    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Digital Man on Sat Apr 17 08:30:46 2021
    Re: Re: Windows update.
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Thu Apr 15 2021 09:15 am

    I paid $1500 for my for first "large" hard disk in the early '90s:
    a 330MB 5.25" full-height Siemens ST506 drive. That was a massive upgrade over my collection of 20-80MB drives at the time and helped to make Vertrauen a popular BBS for image upload/download around that time.

    i'm sure it was literally large and weighed quite a bit too.
    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Sat Apr 17 09:35:00 2021
    Nightfox wrote to Digital Man <=-

    :) My first PC was a hand-me-down PC with a 10MB full-height hard
    drive. For a little while, I used Stacker (and later, MS-DOS's DoubleSpace) to try to get a little extra space out of it.

    My co-sysop at the time worked at Addstor, makers of Superstor - another
    disk compression client. They had a business relationship with Digital Research, so he was able to get copies of DR-DOS with Superstor.

    Then, Microsoft made Windows not run on DR-DOS, and it sort of faded away.

    Those were fun times, though - DR-DOS with all of its add-ons, Geoworks, LANTastic and OS/2 were my home network back then.


    ... Which parts can be grouped?
    --- MultiMail/DOS v0.52
    ■ Synchronet ■ realitycheckBBS -- http://realitycheckBBS.org
  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Apr 17 11:04:48 2021
    Re: Re: Windows update.
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Sat Apr 17 2021 09:35 am

    My co-sysop at the time worked at Addstor, makers of Superstor - another disk compression client. They had a business relationship with Digital Research, so he was able to get copies of DR-DOS with Superstor.

    Then, Microsoft made Windows not run on DR-DOS, and it sort of faded away.

    Those were fun times, though - DR-DOS with all of its add-ons, Geoworks, LANTastic and OS/2 were my home network back then.

    Yeah, those were fun times. I didn't have much chance to mess with DR-DOS at the time and didn't know much about it. I thought it was pretty cool when MS-DOS 5 came out and had its new features, such as the ability to configure a boot menu in CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT with different configuration options for different scenarios. I think I read that was originally a feature in DR-DOS?

    I never really had a chance to play with Geoworks either.

    Nightfox

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com
  • From Digital Man@VERT to MRO on Sat Apr 17 12:48:10 2021
    Re: Re: Windows update.
    By: MRO to Digital Man on Sat Apr 17 2021 08:30 am

    Re: Re: Windows update.
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Thu Apr 15 2021 09:15 am

    I paid $1500 for my for first "large" hard disk in the early '90s:
    a 330MB 5.25" full-height Siemens ST506 drive. That was a massive upgrade over my collection of 20-80MB drives at the time and helped to make Vertrauen a popular BBS for image upload/download around that time.

    i'm sure it was literally large and weighed quite a bit too.

    Yup. Full-height 5.25" drives are beasts. I had 60MB and 80MB full-heights before the 330MB drive, but the 330MB with its more platters was definitely heavier than those. I was so proud/happy with that purchase for the BBS. It was probably 1989 now I think I really think about it. <shrug>
    --
    digital man

    Synchronet "Real Fact" #108:
    Weedpuller "Falling Star" http://youtu.be/J0ijOUT7KIw
    Norco, CA WX: 72.2°F, 47.0% humidity, 2 mph NW wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs
    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ Vertrauen ■ Home of Synchronet ■ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net
  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Sat Apr 17 17:45:00 2021
    Hello MRO!

    ** On Saturday 17.04.21 - 08:29, MRO wrote to lynx769:

    Even if you could, that would be a bad idea. Windows 7 is no longer
    receiving security updates unless you've purchased Extended Security
    Updates from Microsoft.

    i have 3 win7 computers and they are getting updates and
    they fuck up every once in a while and i have to figure out
    whats wrong with the update. -+-

    It' happening on my newest laptop, a T540p Thinkpad:

    KB4535102 failed 2020-01 Security and Qual Rollup for .NET
    KB4524752 failed 2019-10 Update for Win7 x64
    KB4516065 failed 2019-09 Monthly Qual Rollup


    I suppose these things can be downloaded individually outside
    the WUA system, and installed manually?


    --- OpenXP 5.0.49
    * Origin: Ogg's Dovenet Point (723:320/1.9)
    ■ Synchronet ■ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTP