• Bleach Time!

    From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to All on Sat Mar 6 09:28:00 2021
    I have my dad's old Microsoft yellowed intellimouse, recovered from my mom's junk drawer. It's a sunny day, and I'm going to experiment with hydrogen peroxide and baking soda to see if I can bleach it out.

    If I do, I might have to pull out my 30 year-old Model M keyboard and go
    retro for a while.

    I just realized that my new computer is the first one I've had without PS/2 ports! Luckily I have a USB to PS/2 adapter, somewhere.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Mar 7 01:24:15 2021
    Re: Bleach Time!
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to All on Sat Mar 06 2021 09:28 am

    I have my dad's old Microsoft yellowed intellimouse, recovered from my mom's junk drawer. It's a sunny day, and I'm going to experiment with hydrogen peroxide and baking soda to see if I can bleach it out.

    If I do, I might have to pull out my 30 year-old Model M keyboard and go retro for a while.

    I just realized that my new computer is the first one I've had without PS/2 ports! Luckily I have a USB to PS/2 adapter, somewhere.


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    the plastic has aged. wont work. spraypaint it
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  • From hal@VERT/HAL to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Mar 7 14:38:00 2021
    I have my dad's old Microsoft yellowed intellimouse, recovered from my mom's junk drawer. It's a sunny day, and I'm going to experiment with hydrogen peroxide and baking soda to see if I can bleach it out.

    no idea about hydrogen peroxide but 8bit guy on youtube had great results
    with retrobrite

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZYbchvSUDY

    I've seen others use it and similar products on youtube videos. Worth a
    search for restoring retro computing equipment as I have seen videos like
    that several times
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to hal on Sun Mar 7 14:37:08 2021
    Re: Re: Bleach Time!
    By: hal to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Mar 07 2021 02:38 pm

    I have my dad's old Microsoft yellowed intellimouse, recovered from my mom's junk drawer. It's a sunny day, and I'm going to experiment with hydrogen peroxide and baking soda to see if I can bleach it out.

    no idea about hydrogen peroxide but 8bit guy on youtube had great results with retrobrite

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZYbchvSUDY

    I've seen others use it and similar products on youtube videos. Worth a search for restoring retro computing equipment as I have seen videos like that several times

    this is interesting. apparently the plastic is so porous it's trapping something from the air that makes it a uniform yellow. the things with hydrogen peroxide are getting in there and releasing the stains.

    i wonder what that yellow shit is. it's not human dirt. contaminants in our air. in my uncle's case it would be cig smoke.

    i've had old stuff like that but it didnt get that nasty yellow. i'm also not a smoker.
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  • From fusion@VERT/CFBBS to MRO on Sun Mar 7 18:53:00 2021
    junk drawer. It's a sunny day, and I'm going to experiment with hydroge peroxide and baking soda to see if I can bleach it out.

    the plastic has aged. wont work. spraypaint it

    you're talking about something people do on youtube all the time.. with great success..

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  • From fusion@VERT/CFBBS to hal on Sun Mar 7 18:54:00 2021
    On 07 Mar 2021, hal said the following...

    this message is confusing because it has no origin line. i thought it was
    local for a second.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Sun Mar 7 21:39:59 2021
    Re: Re: Bleach Time!
    By: MRO to fusion on Sun Mar 07 2021 06:25 pm

    yeah it's not yellow because it's aged, it's discolored from something else. i'd like to know what that something else is.

    i've had old stuff like that and it didnt yellow. i wonder if this is from smokers.

    I've heard some white plastics can turn yellow by being exposed to sunlight too much.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to fusion on Mon Mar 8 00:11:26 2021
    Re: Re: Bleach Time!
    By: fusion to MRO on Sun Mar 07 2021 11:21 pm

    arent you that guy who ran the os2 synchronet bbs?

    ya. though now it's neither sync nor os/2. bit of a shame not to be repping big blue, but the missing modern features list (if things like long filename support can be called modern) in original sync kinda got old.


    so did you sustain a head injury or something that made you want to use mystic? :D :D :D
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Mon Mar 8 00:17:26 2021
    Re: Re: Bleach Time!
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Sun Mar 07 2021 09:39 pm

    Re: Re: Bleach Time!
    By: MRO to fusion on Sun Mar 07 2021 06:25 pm

    yeah it's not yellow because it's aged, it's discolored from something else. i'd like to know what that something else is.

    i've had old stuff like that and it didnt yellow. i wonder if this is from smokers.

    I've heard some white plastics can turn yellow by being exposed to sunlight too much.


    now the internet says that uv light combines with the flame retardant bromine to make plastic yellow. and it has a pic of a super nintendo and now i remember my snes getting yellow on the bottom after i let my kid use it.

    howtogeek also says using h2o2 doesnt stop it from happening again and might make the plastic brittle.

    whats weird is they say to use uv light to help the process.

    i think in today's 3d printer age people would be better off getting new parts printed if they want something new looking.
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  • From fusion@VERT/CFBBS to MRO on Mon Mar 8 12:13:00 2021
    so did you sustain a head injury or something that made you want to use mystic? :D :D :D

    my old apartment had a long flight of stairs... XD

    no special reason really though, other than friends using it and being
    curious.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Rob Mccart on Tue Mar 9 06:51:00 2021
    Rob Mccart wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-

    Maybe this is the place to ask this question. The computer I use most
    of the time is running Vista but I'm running into more and more web
    sites that won't run on the newest Browser that Vista supports (A
    Mozilla variation from about 2010). Would it be possible to run a
    Windows 7 Virtual Machine on Vista to have occasional access to a newer browser or is a full reinstall of something newer my only option?

    You'd be better off doing at least an upgrade, if you could, to Windows 10. How much memory do you have in your computer, and how big is your disk?

    A cheap, external USB drive could make the process much easier; Windows 10
    has the same backup program that 7 does, and could probably read a Vista backup too.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Rob Mccart on Thu Mar 11 16:21:06 2021
    Re: Bleach Time!
    By: Rob Mccart to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Mon Mar 08 2021 12:16 am

    Maybe this is the place to ask this question. The computer I use most of the time is running Vista but I'm running into more and more web sites that won' run on the newest Browser that Vista supports (A Mozilla variation from abou 2010). Would it be possible to run a Windows 7 Virtual Machine on Vista to have occasional access to a newer browser or is a full reinstall of somethin newer my only option?

    It should be doable as long as you have enough RAM and CPU cycles to spare.

    Another alternative if it is just for a couple of sites, is to get a copy of Knoppix. Knoppix is a operating system that you can boot from a DVD and executes without touching anything in your hard drive. Recent versions come with Chromium and Mozilla Firefox. You just put the DVD in the tray and reboot the computer, et voila, the computer will boot to an operating system that will completely disappear once you turn the computer off.

    A lot of people use this sort of solution for their online banking. Since you are booting into a fresh operating system each time you boot Knoppix, it is harder to get persistent malware infections.

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  • From fusion@VERT/CFBBS to Rob Mccart on Wed Mar 17 12:02:00 2021
    Hard to believe you got a P4 Motherboard that supports 4GB of ram.

    yeah.. probably the tail end of that generation i'd guess

    system. (?) I tried looking that up and found one listed (discontinued) but it was running an I7 5th Gen Core which is probably not what yours is..

    this one is an i5-3550. which according to google is from 2012. the one i got is still available on eBay for $99, but i had to get a hard drive for it (it's pretty common for lenovos to be from bigger companies so they destroy the
    hard drives and send the rest to refurbishers).

    I don't so much mind the limitations of my Laptop mentioned above, other than the problem with it not allowing Software updates anymore. Unfortunately Vista software updates are the same as Win XP, not Win 7..

    sounds like you're a bit like me.. i clung to OS/2, Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows 7, and probably will Windows 10 too..

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Rob Mccart on Sat Mar 20 11:22:40 2021
    Re: Re: Bleach Time!
    By: Rob Mccart to FUSION on Fri Mar 19 2021 12:31 am

    I finally had to break down and get a Windows 7 Laptop to do some things that a lack of updates finally made impossible.
    I don't mind Windows 7 all that much but it always seems every new release is more protective of itself allowing the user less and less control.
    I've used Windows 10 a little at other people's places but I'd have to start over again to figure out how to work around the way Windows intended..

    I've been using PCs for a long time (I started using IBM compatibles around the late 90s, when DOS was big and Wnidows 3 was coming around). I like having control of my PC. It seems most people these days though don't care so much about having total control; they just want to do stuff with it. Modern operating systems are made in a way to prevent people from doing stupid stuff.

    I does bother me, though, when the OS tries to prevent me from running a program because it's not "authorized" by the OS or other restrictions.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to fusion on Sat Mar 20 11:25:11 2021
    Re: Re: Bleach Time!
    By: fusion to Rob Mccart on Fri Mar 19 2021 07:51 pm

    yeah, 98 seems to be the "retro computing" favorite. all the little windows 95 promises polished up and functional.

    Windows 98 was good, but I remember one recurring problem I had with Windows 98 was when I went to shut down the PC, Windows 98 would get stuck on the shutdown screen and not fully shut down. I think there may have been a fix for that at some point though.

    Windows ME tends to get a lot of hate, but I ran ME for a little while and didn't have a problem with it.

    Nightfox

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  • From fusion@VERT/CFBBS to Nightfox on Sat Mar 20 20:17:00 2021
    On 20 Mar 2021, Nightfox said the following...

    Windows 98 was when I went to shut down the PC, Windows 98 would get
    stuck on the shutdown screen and not fully shut down. I think there may

    you see this a little even today.. windows trying to be smart about things
    like checking if programs have unsaved data, and cleaning up a bit after itself. at least now you can tell it "just die already.." hehe

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Rob Mccart on Mon Mar 22 08:39:03 2021
    Re: Re: Bleach Time!
    By: Rob Mccart to FUSION on Sun Mar 21 2021 12:51 am

    yeah, 98 seems to be the "retro computing" favorite. all the little windo
    95 promises polished up and functional.

    Yes, it was a massive improvement over Win95 and added on so many things like decent USB support and (not always from Microsoft) universal drivers for things like up to 32 gig Flash Drives.

    Another advantage was, being so 'out of date', it was virtually Virus immune since no one was aiming at it..

    If it supported newer browsers I'd still be running it on my main machine. Best I could manage was the 2011 release of Opera (Mozilla based I believe). Newer Opera versions are Chrome based, or probably I should say Chrome uses the same browser engine if my info on that is still up to date.

    Yesterday I was listening to the Leo LaPorte radio show (he gives computer & technology advice), and there were 2 people who called in who said they still have a Windows 98 PC. One person wanted to know how best to copy their files off it, and the other said they still kept their Win98 PC for a game they like to play.

    Nightfox

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Warpslide on Mon Mar 22 06:46:40 2021
    On 3/20/2021 1:57 PM, Warpslide wrote:
    I does bother me, though, when the OS tries to prevent me from
    running a program because it's not "authorized" by the OS or other
    restrictions.

    Yup, I downloaded Syncterm 1.2a the other day and Credge (Chromium
    Edge) was warning me that the file was "untrustworthy" and could
    "harm your computer".

    I was like f@*# off and let me run the damn file!

    That's the downside of trying to build things to be more idiot proof.
    While protecting some from malicious content because it isn't popular
    enough, or cleared by checks that more popular downloads see it gets
    blocked.

    Had this issue downloading my own SyncTERM installer from github.

    I am liking the new Edge a bit more than Chrome and have switched.
    Partly because I trust MS slightly more than Google at this point.
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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Rob Mccart on Mon Mar 22 06:52:43 2021
    On 3/20/2021 9:51 PM, Rob Mccart wrote:
    Up until about 2015 I was still running a system, updated as much
    as humanly possible, running Windows 98. That was always my
    favourite OS

    yeah, 98 seems to be the "retro computing" favorite. all the little
    windows 95 promises polished up and functional.

    Yes, it was a massive improvement over Win95 and added on so many
    things like decent USB support and (not always from Microsoft)
    universal drivers for things like up to 32 gig Flash Drives.

    I switched directly from OS/2 to NT4 around that time... I did think
    that Windows 2000 with LiteStep Shell (I think it was called that) was
    pretty great. IIRC I went to XP with SP3, and used the MCE desktop
    theme. Then Win7 on release, 8 SP2 with classic shell, and now Win10.
    I've run Linux desktop environments for a couple months at a time every
    few years.

    What's funny is that you can now run a full x86 emulator and Windows 9x
    in a browser.
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Tracker1 on Tue Mar 23 08:51:00 2021
    Tracker1 wrote to Rob Mccart <=-

    I switched directly from OS/2 to NT4 around that time... I did think
    that Windows 2000 with LiteStep Shell (I think it was called that) was pretty great. IIRC I went to XP with SP3, and used the MCE desktop
    theme. Then Win7 on release, 8 SP2 with classic shell, and now Win10. I've run Linux desktop environments for a couple months at a time every few years.

    Sounds like we ran in some of the same circles. I was a Netware admin in the early '90s, and OS/2 made a great admin platform for Netware servers - lots
    of console windows without drivers in low memory. DOS VDMs for apps that needed a native DOS environment.

    Switched to NT4 when the internet came around, and I had a couple of
    databases to manage. Really enjoyed the eye-candy of Litestep, ran it on
    the BBS for some time, and ran it on old Dell boxes running Windows 2000
    that needed all the RAM they could muster.

    I couldn't stand the Windows 8 start menu, used classic shell to emulate a
    XP environment, down to the colors and the wallpaper.

    That reminds me, I think it's time for my 2-screen "Dark Bliss" wallpaper
    and an XP menu again. :)



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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Moondog on Sun Aug 15 09:59:36 2021
    Re: Re: Bleach Time!
    By: Moondog to Nightfox on Sat Aug 14 2021 08:47 pm

    Re: Re: Bleach Time!
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Sun Mar 07 2021 09:39 pm

    this is from last march
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Mon Aug 16 20:11:56 2021
    Re: Re: Bleach Time!
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Mon Aug 16 2021 09:11 pm

    it's almost 5 and a half months ago. we've moved on from that post.
    people shouldnt reply to old shit.

    that's your 'and'

    Maybe they hadn't seen it yet. Not everyone reads Dove-Net every day. There are people who might not read Dove-Net for months and then check back.

    I'm wondering why it bothers you so much?

    Nightfox

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to MRO on Thu Aug 19 07:13:37 2021
    Re: Re: Bleach Time!
    By: MRO to Arelor on Wed Aug 18 2021 09:38 pm

    Re: Re: Bleach Time!
    By: Arelor to Nightfox on Wed Aug 18 2021 03:47 pm

    I don't think necroing an old thread is bad as long as there is a reasona probability that the people originally involved with it is around, though Maybe it is just me but I don't feel assaulted by necros or anything :-)


    i think it really shows a flaw in the synchronet interface.
    when a new user gets past the application i think it should ask them if they like to update their msg pointers.

    almost ALL the time, when a new user replies to old msgs they are doing it b accident. these msgs are new to them, but not new and they dont realize it until later.

    i've done it myself.

    Actually, this is somethign I have actually thought myself. Synchronet would benefit if there was an option for having the message pointers automatically set upon the registration of a new user. Right now, a new user that registers ends up having thousands of unread messages to check, onyl a small fraction of which are current enough to be worth checking.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Digital Man on Thu Aug 19 07:14:31 2021
    Re: Re: Bleach Time!
    By: Digital Man to MRO on Wed Aug 18 2021 08:10 pm

    Each sysop has the option to set new users' message pointers however they li via SCFG->System->New User Values->Days of New Messages. I think the default value is 30 (days).


    That is awesome and we love you for that!

    How come I have not realized such thing was so :-(

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Digital Man on Thu Aug 19 08:50:13 2021
    Re: Re: Bleach Time!
    By: Digital Man to MRO on Wed Aug 18 2021 08:10 pm

    i think it really shows a flaw in the synchronet interface.
    when a new user gets past the application i think it should ask them if they'd like to update their msg pointers.

    Each sysop has the option to set new users' message pointers however they like via SCFG->System->New User Values->Days of New Messages. I think the default value is 30 (days).

    almost ALL the time, when a new user replies to old msgs they are doing

    oh that's cool, i didnt know that. i just made my script that asks them.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Arelor on Thu Aug 19 08:51:50 2021
    Re: Re: Bleach Time!
    By: Arelor to MRO on Thu Aug 19 2021 07:13 am


    Actually, this is somethign I have actually thought myself. Synchronet would benefit if there was an option for having the message pointers automatically set upon the registration of a new user. Right now, a new user that registers ends up having thousands of unread messages to check, onyl a small fraction of which are current enough to be worth checking.



    yeah and a lot of bbses have several msg nets, so the average new user would get overload and just [q]uit.
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