• Mac Sillicon

    From MATTHEW MUNSON@VERT/IUTOPIA to All on Sun Nov 8 09:56:00 2020
    Will there be SyncTerm and Multimail for Mac Silicon based computers?
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to MATTHEW MUNSON on Sun Nov 8 22:43:17 2020
    Re: Mac Sillicon
    By: MATTHEW MUNSON to All on Sun Nov 08 2020 09:56 am

    Will there be SyncTerm and Multimail for Mac Silicon based computers?

    I don't think the MultiMail author regular visits DOVE-Net, so that is anyone's guess. As for SyncTERM support of brand new Mac platform, I wouldn't hold your breath. Unless some gifts a new Mac to Deuce or myself or anyone else with the skills and interest to work on it shows up, it's unlikely to happen.
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  • From Bob Roberts@VERT/HOVAL to MATTHEW MUNSON on Mon Nov 9 10:58:55 2020
    Re: Mac Sillicon
    By: MATTHEW MUNSON to All on Sun Nov 08 2020 09:56 am

    Will there be SyncTerm and Multimail for Mac Silicon based computers?

    Apple Macs using Apple Silicon will run any software compiled for Intel based Macs. They precompile a translated version of the program on install using what Apple calls "Rosetta 2". The same process was used during the transition from PowerPC to Intel many years ago.

    You can read more about it here: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/apple_silicon/about_the_rosetta_trans lation_environment

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  • From Android8675@VERT/SHODAN to MATTHEW MUNSON on Mon Nov 9 09:45:51 2020
    Re: Mac Sillicon
    By: MATTHEW MUNSON to All on Sun Nov 08 2020 09:56 am

    Will there be SyncTerm and Multimail for Mac Silicon based computers?

    Was your subject (Sillicon) like on purpose? Apple forcing a CPU change isn't new (PowerPC, rip), but last time it took a while before they made it so you HAD to run the app in x86/Intel mode.

    Is Apple planning to go cold turkey, like if you buy a new Sillycon Mac it flat out will not work with Intel based applications?

    I'd wager you could still run Syncterm on a new Mac, but it'd be in emulated Intel mode or something.
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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to MATTHEW MUNSON on Tue Nov 10 13:00:36 2020
    On 11/8/2020 2:56 AM, MATTHEW MUNSON wrote:
    Will there be SyncTerm and Multimail for Mac Silicon based computers?

    If there's build tooling to support the ARM based macs, would be more
    suprised to see it unsupported... that said, they may dive all in on
    requiring signed software for installation, which may introduce hurdles.

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  • From MATTHEW MUNSON@VERT/IUTOPIA to TRACKER1 on Wed Nov 11 09:35:00 2020
    On 11/10/2020 1:00 PM, TRACKER1 wrote to MATTHEW MUNSON:

    On 11/8/2020 2:56 AM, MATTHEW MUNSON wrote:
    Will there be SyncTerm and Multimail for Mac Silicon based computers?

    If there's build tooling to support the ARM based macs, would be more surprised to see it unsupported... that said, they may dive all in on requiring signed software for installation, which may introduce hurdles.
    I am thinking it might just be a better idea to either get a deluxe android tablet or just a
    basic laptop instead.
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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to MATTHEW MUNSON on Thu Nov 12 20:23:19 2020
    On 11/11/2020 2:35 AM, MATTHEW MUNSON wrote:
    I am thinking it might just be a better idea to either get a deluxe
    android tablet or just a basic laptop instead.

    Probably, or used... the new M1 Mac Mini is still about $200 overprised ($699), and they want another $200 to go from 256gb storage to 512gb.

    Apparently it'll take a while for emulation/virtualization to shake out
    and you can only do emulation or virtualization in a single process, not
    both.

    And afaik, looks like I was write about locking down booting to signed
    images only (no linux). And with the custom chips, homebrew mac is
    effectively dead in a couple years.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Tracker1 on Fri Nov 13 08:18:24 2020
    Re: Re: Mac Sillicon
    By: Tracker1 to MATTHEW MUNSON on Thu Nov 12 2020 08:23 pm

    I am thinking it might just be a better idea to either get a deluxe
    android tablet or just a basic laptop instead.

    Probably, or used... the new M1 Mac Mini is still about $200 overprised ($699), and they want another $200 to go from 256gb storage to 512gb.

    Hopefully you can buy your own drive and RAM to upgrade it - Or do you need to have Apple provide those upgrades?

    Nightfox

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  • From MATTHEW MUNSON@VERT/IUTOPIA to TRACKER1 on Sat Nov 14 09:42:00 2020
    On 11/12/2020 8:23 PM, TRACKER1 wrote to MATTHEW MUNSON:


    Probably, or used... the new M1 Mac Mini is still about $200 overprised ($699), and they want another $200 to go from 256gb storage to 512gb.

    Apparently it'll take a while for emulation/virtualization to shake out
    and you can only do emulation or virtualization in a single process, not both.

    And afaik, looks like I was write about locking down booting to signed images only (no linux). And with the custom chips, homebrew mac is effectively dead in a couple years.
    I found out about that today before reading this post. I might end up using a System 76
    laptop instead. I am becoming very distrustful of big tech. I want to reduce my reliance
    on Google products as much as possible. Delete all my google docs, cut off as much as
    possible my google mail.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MATTHEW MUNSON on Sun Nov 15 11:08:00 2020
    I found out about that today before reading this post. I might end up using a S
    stem 76 laptop instead.

    Not sure if this is still true or not but, back when I was shopping for a
    linux laptop in 2015, the Zareason laptops seemed to be somewhat more reasonably priced and more customizable at order time than the System 76
    ones did.

    I bought a Zareason and have been happy with it since.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Dumas Walker on Mon Nov 16 07:12:00 2020
    Dumas Walker wrote to MATTHEW MUNSON <=-


    Not sure if this is still true or not but, back when I was shopping for
    a linux laptop in 2015, the Zareason laptops seemed to be somewhat more reasonably priced and more customizable at order time than the System
    76 ones did.

    I'm pining (heh) for a Pinebook; I love the idea of a cheap ARM
    laptop.



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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Nov 16 15:35:06 2020
    Re: Re: Mac Sillicon
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dumas Walker on Mon Nov 16 2020 07:12 am

    Dumas Walker wrote to MATTHEW MUNSON <=-


    Not sure if this is still true or not but, back when I was shopping for a linux laptop in 2015, the Zareason laptops seemed to be somewhat more reasonably priced and more customizable at order time than the System 76 ones did.

    I'm pining (heh) for a Pinebook; I love the idea of a cheap ARM
    laptop.



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    I got a discount coupon for one of those thinkpads that come with Fedora pre-installed (from Linux Magazine). I think it is this one:

    https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/laptop/thinkpad/thinkpad-x1/X1-Carbon-Gen-/p/20U9C TO1WWENUS2/customize

    I think with the THINKPROMO code the price gets cut to 1k USD

    Sorry for the spam but I thought it was relevant to the conversation.
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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Nov 16 22:40:40 2020
    Re: Re: Mac Sillicon
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dumas Walker on Mon Nov 16 2020 07:12 am

    Not sure if this is still true or not but, back when I was shopping for
    a linux laptop in 2015, the Zareason laptops seemed to be somewhat more reasonably priced and more customizable at order time than the System
    76 ones did.

    I'm pining (heh) for a Pinebook; I love the idea of a cheap ARM
    laptop.

    I looked up Zareason on E-bay and nothing came up. System 76 I found but mostly used. I've heard of Pinebooks but read they are back ordered. There's SO many laptops out there. I just want one that's not going to crap out in 5 years or less. I bought my first brand new laptop in 2009. I had it 2 weeks and spilt coffee on it and killed it. I've been buying used ever since and really got good use out of them. I'm scared shitless to buy new again lol. Someone make a suggestion please. I don't want to get a DELL or HP just because there the only name brands I know. ;-)

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to HusTler on Tue Nov 17 06:23:00 2020
    HusTler wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    but mostly used. I've heard of Pinebooks but read they are back
    ordered. There's SO many laptops out there. I just want one that's not going to crap out in 5 years or less. I bought my first brand new
    laptop in 2009. I had it 2 weeks and spilt coffee on it and killed it. I've been buying used ever since and really got good use out of them.

    If you don't have a lot of money, buy a used Thinkpad T series. If
    you have more, buy a new Thinkpad T series. Good Linux compatibility
    and rock solid hardware. I seem to go about 13-15 years between
    Thinkpads. :)




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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Nov 18 21:27:46 2020
    Re: Re: Mac Sillicon
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to HusTler on Tue Nov 17 2020 06:23 am

    If you don't have a lot of money, buy a used Thinkpad T series. If
    you have more, buy a new Thinkpad T series. Good Linux compatibility
    and rock solid hardware. I seem to go about 13-15 years between
    Thinkpads. :)

    I'm hearing a lot of good stuff about these Leveno's. I'm looking in the $250 to $350 price range. Amazon has these two laptop with great specs. One is called the fusion5. The other is Yello something. I saw a thinkpad I for $199. Did they even make a Thinkpad 2 or did they just jump to the Thinkpad 3? I'd like to get the most bang for my buck but not sure if saving money with the off name brands is the smart move. Should I be worried about buying refurbed or stick with brand new? I gave myself a splitting headache today. ;-)

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to HusTler on Thu Nov 19 01:04:11 2020
    Re: Re: Mac Sillicon
    By: HusTler to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Nov 18 2020 09:27 pm

    Re: Re: Mac Sillicon
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to HusTler on Tue Nov 17 2020 06:23 am

    If you don't have a lot of money, buy a used Thinkpad T series. If
    you have more, buy a new Thinkpad T series. Good Linux compatibility
    and rock solid hardware. I seem to go about 13-15 years between
    Thinkpads. :)

    I'm hearing a lot of good stuff about these Leveno's. I'm looking in the $250 to $350 price range. Amazon has these two laptop with great specs. One is called the fusion5. The other is Yello something. I saw a thinkpad I for $199. Did they even make a Thinkpad 2 or did they just jump to the Thinkpad 3? I'd like to get the most bang for my buck but not sure if saving money with the off name brands is the smart move. Should I be worried about buying refurbed or stick with brand new? I gave myself a splitting headache today. ;-)

    okay so you are looking for something 350 max. and you absolutely need a laptop?

    you can get an hp elitebook 8470p i5 for 299 on amazon with win10 pro
    8gigs of memory and 14 inch display. it's refurbished.

    i got my gf one and it worked great. it's clunky but it's got muscle. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01GW03N6E/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title? ie=UTF8&psc=1
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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Nightfox on Thu Nov 19 14:01:30 2020
    On 11/13/2020 9:18 AM, Nightfox wrote:
    Probably, or used... the new M1 Mac Mini is still about $200 overprised
    ($699), and they want another $200 to go from 256gb storage to 512gb.

    Hopefully you can buy your own drive and RAM to upgrade it - Or do you
    need to have Apple provide those upgrades?

    All soldered on board, even with the new mini.

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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to MRO on Thu Nov 19 16:15:08 2020
    Re: Re: Mac Sillicon
    By: MRO to HusTler on Thu Nov 19 2020 01:04 am

    I'm hearing a lot of good stuff about these Leveno's. I'm looking in the $250 to $350 price range. Amazon has these two laptop with great specs.
    okay so you are looking for something 350 max. and you absolutely need a laptop?

    you can get an hp elitebook 8470p i5 for 299 on amazon with win10 pro
    8gigs of memory and 14 inch display. it's refurbished.

    i got my gf one and it worked great. it's clunky but it's got muscle. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01GW03N6E/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_tit ie=UTF8&psc=1 ---

    Thanks for that MRO. If I had the space I'd love to go back to a desktop. Right now it's not an option. Now I have 7 laptops on my wish list with your suggestion. I'm trying to understand why I should get a refurb when I can get new for the same price. I emailed one of the sellers today asking that very question. I have a feeling warantee is gonna come in to play. Thats part is VERY important to me. I have to be able to send it back without a hassle I have a problem. I've believe Amazon has a 3 month no questions policy and up to a year on all machines they sell. My last NEW laptop wans an HP. I loved it until a spilled coffee on it and killed it. How long has your GF had the HP you got her? Is she a heavy user? I know heat is a big factor to consider too. ACK! lol Thanks

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to HusTler on Thu Nov 19 18:36:47 2020
    Re: Re: Mac Sillicon
    By: HusTler to MRO on Thu Nov 19 2020 04:15 pm

    i got my gf one and it worked great. it's clunky but it's got muscle.
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01GW03N6E/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_as
    in_tit ie=UTF8&psc=1 ---

    Thanks for that MRO. If I had the space I'd love to go back to a desktop. Right now it's not an option. Now I have 7 laptops on my wish list with your suggestion. I'm trying to understand why I should get a refurb when I can get new for the same price. I emailed one of the sellers today asking that very question. I have a feeling warantee is gonna come in to play.



    all my laptops fail when the warranty is done. like a month or two after, always.

    her laptop is still fine i think. it got hot when she played wow on it but that's about it. she hated that it is a business laptop but that fucker had some muscle and it was a good buy.
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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to MRO on Thu Nov 19 21:22:00 2020
    MRO wrote to HusTler <=-

    Thanks for that MRO. If I had the space I'd love to go back to a desktop. Right now it's not an option. Now I have 7 laptops on my wish list with your suggestion. I'm trying to understand why I should get a refurb when I can get new for the same price. I emailed one of the sellers today asking that very question. I have a feeling warantee is gonna come in to play.

    all my laptops fail when the warranty is done. like a month or
    two after, always.

    That's because you buy cheap trash.

    Buy a Lenovo. It will (easily) last a decade, and probably more.



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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Tracker1 on Thu Nov 19 20:25:58 2020
    Re: Re: Mac Sillicon
    By: Tracker1 to Nightfox on Thu Nov 19 2020 02:01 pm

    Probably, or used... the new M1 Mac Mini is still about $200
    overprised ($699), and they want another $200 to go from 256gb
    storage to 512gb.

    Hopefully you can buy your own drive and RAM to upgrade it - Or do you
    need to have Apple provide those upgrades?

    All soldered on board, even with the new mini.

    hmm.. A few years ago, I thought I read Apple was going back to making the RAM (and maybe storage drive?) removable so you could upgrade them. I don't know why they'd make it all soldered on.

    Nightfox

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  • From Argelian@VERT/TIME/BATTLEST to Nightfox on Thu Nov 19 21:35:00 2020
    -=[ On 11-13-20 08:18, Nightfox wrote to Tracker1 below: ]=-
    -=[ Re: Re: Mac Sillicon ]=-

    Hi Nightfox!

    Hopefully you can buy your own drive and RAM to upgrade it - Or do you need to have Apple provide those upgrades?
    From what I saw online the hardware contained within the Mac mini is soldered and not user upgradeable.

    Cheers,
    Bryan
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  • From Warpslide@VERT/NRBBS to Nightfox on Fri Nov 20 08:22:00 2020
    On 19 Nov 2020, Nightfox said the following...

    hmm.. A few years ago, I thought I read Apple was going back to making th (and maybe storage drive?) removable so you could upgrade them. I don't k y they'd make it all soldered on.

    They've been on this "make it so thin & light" kick for so long, I'm sure they'd use that as the reason why. But the real reason is so they can (over) charge you for the upgrades at the time of purchase.

    Need up upgrade in the future? Too bad, throw it out and buy a new one.

    Jay

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Warpslide on Fri Nov 20 09:10:58 2020
    Re: Re: Mac Sillicon
    By: Warpslide to Nightfox on Fri Nov 20 2020 08:22 am

    hmm.. A few years ago, I thought I read Apple was going back to
    making th (and maybe storage drive?) removable so you could upgrade
    them. I don't k y they'd make it all soldered on.

    They've been on this "make it so thin & light" kick for so long, I'm sure they'd use that as the reason why. But the real reason is so they can (over) charge you for the upgrades at the time of purchase.

    Need up upgrade in the future? Too bad, throw it out and buy a new one.

    I remember hearing how Apple started out with interest from computer clubs in the late 70s, I believe, which I think had a community of open computing and easy upgrades, etc. And in the late 90s-early 2000s, I remember seeing ads for their G4 Mac tower and G5 PowerMac towers, saying they're easy to open and upgrade. Seems like they've done a reversal in recent years.

    Nightfox

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  • From Bob Roberts@VERT/HOVAL to Nightfox on Sat Nov 21 10:42:40 2020
    Re: Re: Mac Sillicon
    By: Nightfox to Tracker1 on Thu Nov 19 2020 08:25 pm

    Hopefully you can buy your own drive and RAM to upgrade it - Or do you
    need to have Apple provide those upgrades?
    All soldered on board, even with the new mini.
    hmm.. A few years ago, I thought I read Apple was going back to making the RAM (and maybe storage
    drive?) removable so you could upgrade them. I don't know why they'd make it all soldered on.

    The RAM is part of the "System on a chip" in the new M1 package. So it's acutally integrated into the CPU. Makes it fast as hell, but there are only 8 gig and 16 gig options right now. I anticipate 32 gig and possibly 64 gig versions in some sort of "step-up" release of the chip in 6 months or so.

    The iMac has upgradable memory. Along with the Mac Pro. I don't believe any others do.

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  • From Bob Roberts@VERT/HOVAL to Warpslide on Sat Nov 21 10:44:17 2020
    Re: Re: Mac Sillicon
    By: Warpslide to Nightfox on Fri Nov 20 2020 08:22 am

    Need up upgrade in the future? Too bad, throw it out and buy a new one.

    Macs hold their resell value. A typical mac will last you a good 5+ years (unless you really cheap out). Then you can either resell it or hand it off to a relative.

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  • From Bob Roberts@VERT/HOVAL to Nightfox on Sat Nov 21 10:46:25 2020
    Re: Re: Mac Sillicon
    By: Nightfox to Warpslide on Fri Nov 20 2020 09:10 am

    I remember hearing how Apple started out with interest from computer clubs in the late 70s, I believe,
    which I think had a community of open computing and easy upgrades, etc. And in the late 90s-early
    2000s, I remember seeing ads for their G4 Mac tower and G5 PowerMac towers, saying they're easy to
    open and upgrade. Seems like they've done a reversal in recent years.

    Woz was the hobbiest. He wanted all the parts to be upgradable. Jobs strove for simple, elegant design. Computers for the consumer that wasn't interested in opening up the case. Laptops haven't been upgradable since the unibody design was released in the early 2010's. From time to time they release a Mac Pro which has all the upgradeable capabilities.

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  • From Warpslide@VERT/NRBBS to Bob Roberts on Sat Nov 21 16:22:00 2020
    On 21 Nov 2020, Bob Roberts said the following...

    Macs hold their resell value. A typical mac will last you a good 5+ years ss you really cheap out). Then you can either resell it or hand it off to ative.

    Yup, I was able to sell my 2012 MacBook Pro for a tidy profit and buy this 2015 MacBook Pro that is still chugging along today.

    This model is stuck at the 8GB of RAM it came with but at least I was able to upgrade the SSD to 512GB after the fact.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Bob Roberts on Sat Nov 21 13:44:35 2020
    Re: Re: Mac Sillicon
    By: Bob Roberts to Nightfox on Sat Nov 21 2020 10:42 am

    The RAM is part of the "System on a chip" in the new M1 package. So it's acutally integrated into the CPU. Makes it fast as hell, but there are only 8 gig and 16 gig options right now. I anticipate 32 gig and possibly 64 gig versions in some sort of "step-up" release of the chip in 6 months or so.

    I can understand them wanting it to be fast (and I've heard benchmarks are showing the M1 Macs are quite a bit faster than Intel Macs), but it's really nice to be able to customize the system more easily.

    The iMac has upgradable memory. Along with the Mac Pro. I don't believe any others do.

    hmm.. It used to be you could also upgrade the memory (and storage) in the Mac Mini and the Mac laptops. I think they're good systems, but overall I'm not really impressed with the lack of upgradeability.

    Nightfox

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Nightfox on Mon Nov 23 06:45:39 2020
    On 11/19/2020 9:25 PM, Nightfox wrote:
    Hopefully you can buy your own drive and RAM to upgrade it - Or do you
    need to have Apple provide those upgrades?

    All soldered on board, even with the new mini.

    hmm.. A few years ago, I thought I read Apple was going back to making
    the RAM (and maybe storage drive?) removable so you could upgrade them.
    I don't know why they'd make it all soldered on.

    Money... look at the upcharge pricing to go from 8-16gb ram and from
    256gb storage... +$200 each increment, far more than the costs
    associated with those parts.

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Bob Roberts on Mon Nov 23 06:49:08 2020
    On 11/21/2020 11:42 AM, Bob Roberts wrote:
    The RAM is part of the "System on a chip" in the new M1 package. So it's acutally
    integrated into the CPU. Makes it fast as hell, but there are only 8 gig and 16 gig
    options right now. I anticipate 32 gig and possibly 64 gig versions in some sort of
    "step-up" release of the chip in 6 months or so.

    Wouldn't expect to see a 32/64gb variant short of an M2 variant in 18
    months or so, when they get ready to deprecate their current Intel line.

    The iMac has upgradable memory. Along with the Mac Pro. I don't believe any others
    do.

    Not anymore... the mini had upgrade options, no longer. The mini also
    lost 10G lan option, and cut back on Thunderbolt ports. Also, doesn't currently support eGPU, may not until a new chip either.

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Bob Roberts on Mon Nov 23 06:55:28 2020
    On 11/21/2020 11:46 AM, Bob Roberts wrote:
    Woz was the hobbiest. He wanted all the parts to be upgradable.
    Jobs strove for simple, elegant design. Computers for the consumer
    that wasn't interested in opening up the case. Laptops haven't been upgradable since the unibody design was released in the early 2010's.
    From time to time they release a Mac Pro which has all the upgradeable capabilities.

    Macbooks (except Air iirc) were upgradeable until the mid-2014 model.
    That's when the soldered the memory onboard. They also used a different interface for nvme storage than the rest of the PC industry, so required
    an adapter, though never tried any.

    I only know because I bought one, and found out the hard way, wound up exchanging at an Apple store for the top option as I needed more memory
    than the baseline and had to give a presentation the following monday.

    Passed it off to my daughter last year. Still runs pretty well, was
    also the last Mac with NVidia GPU, which has its' own support issues at
    this point... fortunately she doesn't play games on it.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Tracker1 on Mon Nov 23 09:44:32 2020
    Re: Re: Mac Sillicon
    By: Tracker1 to Nightfox on Mon Nov 23 2020 06:45 am

    hmm.. A few years ago, I thought I read Apple was going back to
    making the RAM (and maybe storage drive?) removable so you could
    upgrade them. I don't know why they'd make it all soldered on.

    Money... look at the upcharge pricing to go from 8-16gb ram and from 256gb storage... +$200 each increment, far more than the costs
    associated with those parts.

    Yep. One time I bought a 2011 Macbook (the last year they made the 17" version), and I bought a RAM upgrade elsewhere. Due to it being non-Apple RAM, if I went into the information screen (or somewhere), it had a warning saying I was using 3rd-party RAM modules. Apple would charge at least 1.5x as much as I paid elsewhere for the RAM.

    Nightfox

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  • From Android8675@VERT/SHODAN to Nightfox on Tue Nov 24 07:49:18 2020
    Re: Re: Mac Sillicon
    By: Nightfox to Tracker1 on Mon Nov 23 2020 09:44 am

    Yep. One time I bought a 2011 Macbook (the last year they made the 17" version), and I bought a RAM upgrade elsewhere. Due to it being non-Apple RAM, if I went into the information screen (or somewhere), it had a warning saying I was using 3rd-party RAM modules. Apple would charge at least 1.5x as much as I paid elsewhere for the RAM.

    (Don't quote me on this, I haven't really taken a close look at Macs lately) Macs these days come sealed, as in they are like glue sealed. They really don't want you to upgrade on your own.

    My mom called me yesterday, her macbook is running slow after the latest update. I really should of disabled major OS updates years ago. Apple just keeps throwing on new features until people just give up and buy a new system. Blah.

    Is it easy to put Ubuntu on a Macbook?
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  • From Bob Roberts@VERT/HOVAL to Android8675 on Tue Nov 24 11:00:12 2020
    Re: Re: Mac Sillicon
    By: Android8675 to Nightfox on Tue Nov 24 2020 07:49 am

    My mom called me yesterday, her macbook is running slow after the latest update. I really should of disabled major OS updates years ago. Apple just keeps throwing on new features until people just give up and buy a new

    After a major Mac Os update a lot of indexing takes place that can temporarly slow the machine. It might improve after a day or so of background tasks.

    I'm assuming this was the Big Sur update that was released a week or so ago.

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  • From Vlk-451 to Tracker1 on Sun Nov 29 10:02:31 2020
    Re: Re: Mac Sillicon
    By: Tracker1 to MATTHEW MUNSON on Thu Nov 12 2020 08:23 pm

    On 11/11/2020 2:35 AM, MATTHEW MUNSON wrote:
    I am thinking it might just be a better idea to either get a deluxe android tablet or just a basic laptop instead.

    Probably, or used... the new M1 Mac Mini is still about $200 overprised ($699), and they want another $200 to go from 256gb storage to 512gb.

    For that price, you could get a Turbo Nerded (IBM) Thinkpad if you're lucky. The Lenovo knock offs are okay, I have one and it "just works."

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  • From Vlk-451 to Nightfox on Sun Nov 29 10:14:59 2020
    Re: Re: Mac Sillicon
    By: Nightfox to Tracker1 on Fri Nov 13 2020 08:18 am

    Hopefully you can buy your own drive and RAM to upgrade it - Or do you need to have Apple provide those upgrades?

    They solder the ram to the motherboard. The mad men.

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  • From Vlk-451 to Bob Roberts on Sun Nov 29 10:18:28 2020
    Re: Re: Mac Sillicon
    By: Bob Roberts to Warpslide on Sat Nov 21 2020 10:44 am

    Macs hold their resell value. A typical mac will last you a good 5+ years (unless you really cheap out). Then you can either resell it or hand it off to a relative.

    My dad traded a motorcycle for a Mosin Nagant and a Mac Book once. I absolutely hated that thing.

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  • From Bob Roberts@VERT/HOVAL to Vlk-451 on Sun Nov 29 12:37:29 2020
    Re: Re: Mac Sillicon
    By: Vlk-451 to Bob Roberts on Sun Nov 29 2020 10:18 am

    Macs hold their resell value. A typical mac will last you a good 5+ years
    (unless you really cheap out). Then you can either resell it or hand it off
    to a relative.

    My dad traded a motorcycle for a Mosin Nagant and a Mac Book once. I absolutely hated that thing.

    Ahh, I'm sure the Mosin isn't that bad of a rifle.

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Vlk-451 on Sun Nov 29 13:33:00 2020
    Vlk-451 wrote to Bob Roberts <=-

    Re: Re: Mac Sillicon
    By: Bob Roberts to Warpslide on Sat Nov 21 2020 10:44 am

    Macs hold their resell value. A typical mac will last you a good 5+ years (unless you really cheap out). Then you can either resell it or hand it off to a relative.

    My dad traded a motorcycle for a Mosin Nagant and a Mac Book
    once. I absolutely hated that thing.

    The motorcycle, the Nagant, or the Mac?



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  • From Vlk-451 to Bob Roberts on Sun Nov 29 23:03:01 2020
    Re: Re: Mac Sillicon
    By: Bob Roberts to Vlk-451 on Sun Nov 29 2020 12:37 pm

    My dad traded a motorcycle for a Mosin Nagant and a Mac Book once. I absolutely hated that thing.

    Ahh, I'm sure the Mosin isn't that bad of a rifle.

    Oh, a fantastic rifle, some surplus from just after the war.

    It was the Macbook that was shit. It had this stupid unusable operating system, and some jackass soldered the RAM to the motherboard. It made me wonder if they wanted to make sure their delinquent and abhorently minded son wouldn't rip the RAM out thinking it was edible. I wouldn't beleive that any hardware manufacturer would go through that much unessecary effort, so I only ever really used the thing for Porn and a very short time for shitposting when all of my other daily drivers were down. Around the same time I also had to use my neighbors wifi, which only got signal in my car, in my front yard.

    What a weird time to be alive.

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  • From Vlk-451 to Gamgee on Sun Nov 29 23:05:28 2020
    Re: Re: Mac Sillicon
    By: Gamgee to Vlk-451 on Sun Nov 29 2020 01:33 pm

    Vlk-451 wrote to Bob Roberts <=-
    My dad traded a motorcycle for a Mosin Nagant and a Mac Book
    once. I absolutely hated that thing.

    The motorcycle, the Nagant, or the Mac?

    The Motorcycle was some crotch rocket, I wasn't old enough not intrested in learning at the time. I would prefer something I could cruise comfortably in, possibly attach saddle bags for storage. So in that sence me and him had different prefrences, but the bike was good for what it was.

    The Nagant was fantastic, a prime rifle of it's particular year. Came with bayonette and some other fixins'.

    The Mac was shit. Read my last post.

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  • From Vlk-451@VERT/HAVENS to Bob Roberts on Mon Feb 8 10:06:55 2021
    Re: Re: Mac Sillicon
    By: Bob Roberts to Vlk-451 on Sun Nov 29 2020 12:37 pm

    My dad traded a motorcycle for a Mosin Nagant and a Mac Book once. I absolutely hated that thing.

    Ahh, I'm sure the Mosin isn't that bad of a rifle.

    I meant the Mac Book and Motorcycle.

    I loved the Mosin.
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  • From Vlk-451@VERT/HAVENS to Gamgee on Mon Feb 8 10:07:45 2021
    Re: Re: Mac Sillicon
    By: Gamgee to Vlk-451 on Sun Nov 29 2020 01:33 pm

    Vlk-451 wrote to Bob Roberts <=-

    Re: Re: Mac Sillicon
    By: Bob Roberts to Warpslide on Sat Nov 21 2020 10:44 am

    Macs hold their resell value. A typical mac will last you a good 5+ years (unless you really cheap out). Then you can either resell it or hand it off to a relative.

    My dad traded a motorcycle for a Mosin Nagant and a Mac Book
    once. I absolutely hated that thing.

    The motorcycle, the Nagant, or the Mac?

    I hated the Mac, kinda hated the cycle but it was still cool for a crotch rocket, and loved the Moist Nugget. Such a bad ass rifle.
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